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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

notahacker wrote: post #361
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think his route to rigging a Parliamentary vote in his favour is an easy one The classic move is to block the legislature from assembling while one gets around to dissolving it.

Oh, I agree that via the use of force he can do what he likes, at least so long as that force is loyal to him and other forces aren't stronger. It's just harder to create a veneer of the constitutional necessity of such a move when your own highest profile political allies apparently condemn it and pledge to "stop it with the people" instead of queuing up to rubber stamp it and do "this is a small problem with crimin…

This is looking stupider by the minute. You can't half ass a coup d'etat.

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Post by NickC25 »

aurareturn wrote: post #343
cyp0633 wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not gonna happen in recent years, I suppose. PRC also needs US-designed and/or Taiwan-manufactured advanced chips. The possibility of war will ever decrease as long as more and more people wake up to the consequences.

I don't see why the need for advanced chips would prevent China from using its military on Taiwan. If anything, the US-led blockade of advanced chips to China will make it more likely for China to use force. If China can't get their hands on the most advanced TSMC chips, then why would they let the US do so and get too far ahead in AI? Both can't have them then.

If China so much as touches Taiwan, all the TSMC fabs will explode. They are all already rigged to do so. The Taiwanese will burn their island to the ground before they let the CCP get their hands on Taiwan.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

sandworm101 wrote: post #317
nurumaik wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is he going to ban voting next?

That is what martial law is all about: pausing democratic norms to deal with an emergency. Voting, public gatherings, a free internet ... it is open season.

What a time to be alive to see several major democracies in decline or turmoil all within the same time window.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

tootie wrote: post #358
iambateman wrote: post #92

The article points out that even some in his own party have denounced the move. I’m no expert but I find it hard to believe there’s much pro-PRK sympathy in Seoul among a major political party. Considering this is making western news, it seems the president has over-played his hand. Hopefully this passes quickly.

CNN is reporting that parliament has successfully overturned martial law.

> CNN is reporting that parliament has successfully overturned martial law

National Assembly has voted to lift martial law. Yoon (and the army) would still have to recognise it.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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JumpCrisscross wrote: post #107

Article 77 of the Korean Constitution: "1. When it is required to cope with a military necessity or to maintain the public safety and order by mobilization of the military forces in time of war, armed conict or similar national emergency, the President may proclaim martial law as prescribed by law. 2. Martial law shall be of two types, extraordinary martial law and precautionary martial law. 3. Under extraordinary ma…

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Post by NickC25 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #101
BadHumans wrote: post #48

I'm not familiar with the situation but reading the article, this sounds very similar to Netanyahu in Isreal, using the excuse of the opposition to stay in power.

> this sounds very similar to Netanyahu in Isreal, using the excuse of the opposition to stay in power Not comparable. This is a coup d'etat. Netanyahu is a corrupt politician; President Yoon is attempting to rise above politics.

Bibi, upon being convicted for corruption, tried to reform the Israeli judiciary (which led to mass protests) to cement himself in power right before the attacks last year. Now Israelis kowtow to him and blindly follow his lead. How convenient!

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

anon291 wrote: post #254
bananapub wrote: post #227

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> Yes, that's dystopic. Yes, making people do that for 14 days after traveling anywhere in the country is martial law in all but name only. making people isolate after international travel during a global pandemic is not "martial law in all but name". this is an absolutely unhinged thing to think. please get some fresh air and get off Youtube and Rumble.

This was after domestic travel. It's martial law because your basic freedom of movement within the country was abridged without a trial or legal proceeding or any crime. I don't watch youtube and don't know what rumble is. For those of us not terminally online, just witnessing reality is shocking enough.

> It's martial law because your basic freedom of movement within the country was abridged without a trial or legal proceeding or any crime

You're describing a suspension of habeus corpus, not martial law. (And even then, not accurately. Curfews have customarily been enacted for short periods of time without being considered a violation of due process.)

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Post by card_zero »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #373
sandworm101 wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is what martial law is all about: pausing democratic norms to deal with an emergency. Voting, public gatherings, a free internet ... it is open season.

What a time to be alive to see several major democracies in decline or turmoil all within the same time window.

"I'm sick of this"

-- Sepultura (1993)

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

NickC25 wrote: post #376
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this sounds very similar to Netanyahu in Isreal, using the excuse of the opposition to stay in power Not comparable. This is a coup d'etat. Netanyahu is a corrupt politician; President Yoon is attempting to rise above politics.

Bibi, upon being convicted for corruption, tried to reform the Israeli judiciary (which led to mass protests) to cement himself in power right before the attacks last year. Now Israelis kowtow to him and blindly follow his lead. How convenient!

> tried to reform the Israeli judiciary (which led to mass protests) to cement himself in power right before the attacks last year

Right. This is politics. Martial law would have meant the judiciary is irrelevant.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by SuperShibe »

jahdG wrote: post #351

The MPs are being locked out from the National Assembly from overturning this coup: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/03/south-kore... For the South Korean population, the proper way to deal with this is a general strike. Do not work unless in absolutely vital sectors. Koreans here say that this is domestic. Hopefully it is and will be over soon. It is odd however that the U.S. government escalates in Uk…

> It is odd however that the U.S. government escalates in Ukraine, there is a new color revolution in Georgia (the country adjacent to Russia), the Syrian rebels launch a major attack and now this. All of this "coincidentally" makes Trump's peace efforts more difficult.

Escalating in Ukraine (against Russia), launching a major attack against Assad (a Russian ally) and an upcoming revolution against an (allegedly) pro-Russian government in Georgia all seem to fit into a pattern. This SK-thing seems to divide from that pattern and I’d say it is domestic until proven otherwise. If anything, those other small stabs against Russia will aid negotiations as Russias global influence will be weakened by multiple small fires, some of which western allies can put out more easily.

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