Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by collingreen » Sat, Nov 16, 2024, 4:23 AM UTC

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You oppose moving away for inflammatory seed oil that is known to cause cancer? You oppose removing incentives that have drug companies writing health policy? People with gilbert's syndrome are happy to remove fluoride from the drinking water. Educate yourself before someone else does and sells you short. Fluoride can damage the liver in a number of ways, including: Liver function enzymes: Fluoride can increase the a…

Is this chatgpt copypasta at the end?

Regardless, this kind of straw man argument isn't very convincing. You can be against someone's stated policies while holding either supporting or opposing views on any particular topic; implying otherwise is baffling since it would require someone to PERFECTLY align with every opinion you have. Thinking RFK will be a good or bad leader has nothing to do with if someone opposes "moving away from seed oils".

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by collingreen » Sat, Nov 16, 2024, 4:38 AM UTC

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Politicians bend the truth or promise what they are later unable to deliver (and often had no chance of delivering). But I think Trump usually tries to deliver on whatever he said in the campaign (like in 2016), like you can expect wide reaching tariffs in January or February (especially since half-way competent advisors, congress, and the courts are probably not going to moderate him as much this time). Maybe make a…

That would be pretty ironic if Trump is able to deliver more on his promises than other politicians.

Why would it be ironic? He has less regard for the political group and general stability than a more run of the mill politician and now there is explicit immunity for anything he wants to do, like when he sold classified documents but "declassified them in his mind" right before once he got caught.

We watched four years of this already, including a rally with gallows being built in the crowd being told to march on the Capitol (he claims figuratively, and everyone just misunderstood, despite all the posts and planning and travel and tour groups). Last time it was absurd news headline after headline just to distract from the other things going on. We saw some bonkers stuff that would have disqualified other candidates in the past (or at least most candidates probably thought it would).

At this point I think his promises are easier to deliver on and he doesn't care about (and has been made immune from) the consequences that usually temper a politician's ability to deliver. Tariffs, no health plan, another wall (remember when he pardoned bannon for stealing the money they raised for the wall?), "stopping the war in Ukraine" but without a free Ukraine at the end, and decimating government regulatory agencies.

The weirdest part of this narrative for me is how the supporters say he wont do what he promises and the detractors fear he will. I don't know enough history to know if that is common but it sure feels backwards to me.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by lostmsu » Sat, Nov 16, 2024, 4:46 AM UTC

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What in the world is the Honda CR-V Hybrid doing so high on this list?! That doesn't seem to fit any of the theories I've seen spun up so far.

Family car, probably lots of accidents due to kids distracting drivers.

Highlander that I see everywhere is not.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by incognition » Sat, Nov 16, 2024, 4:47 AM UTC

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I'd also venture that the profile of Tesla drivers is also a factor along with those other two brands. I'd be pretty sure that Tesla owners collectively drive more aggressively than the average car on the road. Teslas aren't being driven by soccer moms and careful grandmas.

This runs completely opposite of my observations. Especially with Model Ys, which seem to be driven exclusively by parents. (Call them "soccer moms" if you want.)

Soccer moms are aggressive man. Don’t know where you are. One wrapped hers around a tree here tho

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by Spooky23 » Sat, Nov 16, 2024, 5:26 AM UTC

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To expand your last paragraph, I've been wondering about how the whole thing will affect geo-politics (as well as national politics). I wonder if there's a forum of people doing thinking about all possible scenarios. Things like the world pivoting towards China because, hey, Xi is a despot, but at least he isn't volatile... The joke was, when Putin invaded Ukraine everyone turned from epidemiology experts into geo-po…

They are laying low.

My guess is that we’ve witnessed the end of the post Cold War American hegemony. Welcome to chaos.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by EasyMark » Sat, Nov 16, 2024, 5:50 AM UTC

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These next 4 years will be a hoot and holler...

He had been "joking" about a third term already: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/13/us/politics/congress-reso... So let's see if a Trump with total immunity will really leave gracefully this time.

A president can't pardon himself. He can still be held responsible for this crimes that he's already done. they'll just be shelved for a time. With any justice we'll come back to his crimes after this presidency proves to be a complete failure. I personally don't believe that Americans will allow anyone to become dictator.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by EasyMark » Sat, Nov 16, 2024, 5:55 AM UTC

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What is "counter depth"?

It's a shallower style refrigerator, that doesn't "stick out" past the depth of the counters next to it.

maybe that's why my 12 year old samsung fridge seems fine. no repairs yet, but I've been expecting it to die anyday according to the internets. of course it could also be that samsung is the most popular brand for fridges in the USA

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by m463 » Sat, Nov 16, 2024, 6:01 AM UTC

yardstick wrote: post #319

piotrkaminski wrote: post #250

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What in the world is the Honda CR-V Hybrid doing so high on this list?! That doesn't seem to fit any of the theories I've seen spun up so far.

Family car, probably lots of accidents due to kids distracting drivers.

Could it be more average passengers per accident?

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by m463 » Sat, Nov 16, 2024, 6:03 AM UTC

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The top most model of the Model Y is as fast in a straight line as the lowest base model 911, and the handling isn't even close to the same. Saying the Model Y has the performance of the 911 is not really an accurate statement.

The straight-line performance is exactly what makes it dangerous.

> A focused, alert driver

I dislike how tesla kills situational awareness. It is the central touchscreen.

The model 3 and y and cybertruck put everything there - both status and control. You have to look to the side to see the speed of the vehicle, and the gearshift is on the touchscreen.

The S and X both retain a dashboard in front of you, but most of the controls moved to the touchscreen.

And the removal of stalks from all models have moved turn signals to steering wheel buttons, and most of the rest to the touchscreen.

I think the cars are really well designed, it is just that these user interface choices make you worse driver.

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Post by jpc0 » Sat, Nov 16, 2024, 6:48 AM UTC

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I get it but Climate and Music can wait right? It’s a vehicle not an entertainment room. And adjusting mirors while driving seems crazy and dangerous!! changing something that supposed to be set before departure? At least that’s what taught at driving school and written in texts I guess… too sad the distraction factory is so dangerous. I wouldn’t drive that.

The mirror's angle can change, while driving, in such a way that pulling over to stop and fix it isn't the safest option. With dedicated tactile controls you can adjust mirrors without taking your eyes off the road, while also verifying that the mirrors are adjusted correctly. I think the number of people who can say that they have never needed to adjust mirrors while moving, even after having spent a few minutes adj…

13 years driving so far. Only time I've had to adjust mirrors while driving is if I am in a car I haven't driven before and I didn't adjust them before departing.

You are complaining about having to look over at a screen however taking several seconds to look evem further from the front of the car while adjusting a mirror isn't an issue regardless of the controls?