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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by paul7986 »

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

People in time will learn that using a GPT for search especially for a question that involves research where you had to do MANY searches for the answer... now is provided via one query.

Making things quicker and easier always wins in tech and in life.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by TRiG_Ireland »

PittleyDunkin wrote: post #321
cmiles74 wrote: post #291

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This feels like hyperbole to me. People can reasonably expect Wikipedia to have factual data even though it sometimes contains inaccuracies. Likewise if people are using ChatGPT for search it should be somewhat reliable. If I'm asking ChatGPT to put an itinerary together for a trip (OpenAI's suggestion, not mine), my expectation is that places on that itinerary exist. I can forgive them being closed or even out of bu…

> People can reasonably expect Wikipedia to have factual data even though it sometimes contains inaccuracies. I just straight-up don't agree with this, nor with the idea that what people consider "facts" are nearly as reliable as is implied. What we actually refer to via "fact" is "consensus". Truth is an apriori concept whereas we're discussing posteriori claims. Any "reasonable" ai would give an indication of degre…

Furthermore, Wikipedia's reliability varies on language.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by nomel »

trump2025 wrote: post #209

This might be unpopular opinion but it really isn't as big of a deal as OpenAI makes it out to be (like their previous announcements) The truth is, I haven't used ChatGPT at all since spring of this year. Claude's Sonnet 3.5 has replaced it. I pay very little attention to what OpenAI releases and simply waits for Anthropic to implement it. I also started using Gemini which already outperforms perplexity and this and…

> I also started using Gemini which already outperforms perplexity and this and will not switch.

Related, I haven't paid for Gemini since about a month after release, but the morally corrupt query of "Show me articles from left and right leaning news sites about " would result in Gemini censoring right leaning urls with a "url removed" placeholder and belittling statements about the concerns of showing me right leaning content. Perplexity had no issue with such a dastardly prompts.

I want a tool, not a curated experience, so Gemini is in my "will not use" list for the foreseeable future.

I admit I haven't tried this lately, but I also have no desire to help fund that sort of behavior.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by ianmcgowan »

meowkit wrote: post #351
jsheard wrote: post #303

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> The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetized with ads or propaganda, it's going to be very dangerous. Not to mention that users consuming most content through a middle-man completely breaks most publishers business models. Traditional search is a mutually beneficial arrangement, but LLM search is parasitic. Expect to see a lot more technical countermeasures and/or lawsuits ag…

“Fuck you, pay me” - Childish Gambino The whole thing needs a reframe. Ad driven business only works because its a race to the bottom. Now we are approaching the bottom, and its not gonna be as competitive. Throwback to the 90s when you paid for a search engine? If you can charge the user (the customer- NOT the product) and then pay bespoke data providers (of which publishers fall under) then the model makes more sen…

"Fuck you, pay me" - Ray Liotta in Goodfellas (1990)

:-)

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by robryan »

mgh2 wrote: post #315
wvenable wrote: post #286

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> Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? I think it's already compelling enough to replace the current paradigm. Search is pretty much dead to me. I have to end every search with "reddit" to get remotely useful results. The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetize…

Also, energy use: 10x as much as a Google search https://www.rwdigital.ca/blog/how-much-energy-do-google-sear... .

Wouldn't googles energy per search also be way up with the llm snippet at the top now?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by TRiG_Ireland »

gmd63 wrote: post #270
freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

> Legacy ad-based search has devolved into a wasteland of misaligned incentives, conflict of interest and content farms optimized for ads and algos instead of humans. > Path forward requires solving the core challenge: actually surfacing the content people want to see, not what intermediaries want them to see These traps and patterns are not inevitable. They happen by choice. If you're actively polluting the world wi…

On the one hand, you're not wrong. On the other, asking for individuals to change culture never reliably works.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by iamsanteri »

psychoslave wrote: post #349
iamsanteri wrote: post #325

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I was thinking about this myself, so I went to another search engine (Bing) which I never use otherwise, and jumped right into their "Copilot" search via the top navbar. Man, it was pretty incredible! I asked a lot of questions about myself (whom I know best, of course) and first of all, it answered super quickly to all my queries letting me drill in further. After reading through its brief, on-point answers and the…

What do you mean with "search about myself" here?

I just wrote my name and asked questions about who it is, what he does, what he writes about etc. I have a personal blog, and I wrote a master's thesis recently. I also have a pretty detailed partially public LinkedIn profile and GitHub so if it can dig around it will find out more than enough for me to assess its ability to provide information. I also have a relatively rare name, there's only five or so of us with my full name globally so it cannot get too confused.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by techwiz137 »

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

The biggest question is, can this bring back the behaviour of search engines from long ago? It's significantly difficult to find old posts, blogs or forums with relevant information compared to 10-15 years ago.
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