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Re: Why wordfreq will not be updated

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We need a vintage data/handmade data service. A service that can provide text and images for training that are guaranteed to have either been produced by a human or produced before 2021.

Someone should start scanning all those microfiche archives in local libraries and sell the data.

Re: Why wordfreq will not be updated

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post #366

If it is (apparently) easy for humans to tell when content is AI-generated slop, then it should be possible to develop an AI to distinguish human-created content. As mentioned, we have heuristics like frequency of the word "delve", and simple techniques such as measuring perplexity. I'd like to see a GAN style approach to this problem. It could potentially help improve the "humanness" of AI-generated content.

> If it is (apparently) easy for humans to tell when content is AI-generated slop

It's actually not. It's rather difficult for humans as well. We can see verbose text that is confused and call it AI, but it could just be a human aswell.

To borrow an older model training method, "Generative adversarial network". If we can distinguish AI from humans... We can use it to improve AI and close the gap.

So, it becomes an arms race that constantly evolves.

Re: Why wordfreq will not be updated

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what difference you are referring to. I was agreeing with you. And also agreed: many trumpet the merits of "unassisted" human output. However, they're suffering from ancestor veneration: human writing has always been a vast mine of worthless rock (slop) with a few gems of high-IQ analysis hidden here and there. For instance, upon the invention of the printing press, it was immediately and predominantly u…

Sorry I didn't imply we didn't agree but that programmers were and are going to be impacted as much as writers for instance, yet I see an environment where AI is generally more accepted as a tool. About your last point sometimes I think that in the future there will be models specifically distilling the climax of selected thinkers, so that not only their production will be preserved but maybe something more that is o…

That's a good point: the greatest value that we can glean from one another is likely not epistemological "facts about the world", nor is it even the predictive models seen in science and higher brow social commentary, but in patterns of thinking. That alone is the infinite wellspring for achieving greater understanding, whether formalized with the scientific method or whether more loosely leveraged to succeed with a business endeavor.

Anecdotally, I met success in prompting GPT-3 to "mimic Stephen Pinker" when solving logical puzzles. Puzzles that it would initially fail, it would succeed attempting to mimic his language. GPT-3 seemed to have grokked the pattern of how Stephen Pinker thinks through problems, and it could leverage those patterns to improve its own reasoning. OpenAI o1 needs no such assistance, and I expect that o2 will fully supplant humans with its ability to reason.

It follows that all that we have to offer with our brightest minds will be exhausted, and we will be eclipsed in every conceivable way by our creation. It will mark the end of the Anthropocene; something that likely exceeds the headiest of Nick Bostom speculations will take its place.

It seems that this is coming in 2026 if not sooner, and Alignment is the only thing that ought occupy our minds: the question of whether we're creating something that will save us from ourselves, or whether all that we've built will culminate in something gross and final.

Looking around myself, however, I see impassioned "discourse" about immigration. The merits of DEI. Patriotism. Transgenderism. Religion. Copyright. Vast herds of dinosaurs preying upon one another, giving only idle attention to the glowing object in the sky. Is it an asteroid? Is it a UFO that is coming down to provide dinosaur healthcare? Nope, not even that level of thought is mustered. With 8 billion people on the planet, Utopia by Nick Bostrom hasn't even mustered 100 reviews on Amazon. On the advent of the defining moment of the universe itself, when virtually all that is imaginable is unlocked for us, our species' heads remains buried in the mud, gnawing at one another's filthy toes, and I'm alienated and disgusted.

The only glints of beauty I see in my fellow man are in those with minds which exceed a certain IQ threshold and cognitive flexibility, as well as in lesser minds which exhibit gentleness and humility. There is beauty there, and there is beauty in the staggering possibility of the universe itself. The rest is at best entomology, and I won't mourn its passing.

Re: Why wordfreq will not be updated

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post #13

I agree in general but the web was already polluted by Google's unwritten SEO rules. Single-sentence paragraphs, multiple keyword repetitions and focus on "indexability" instead of readability, made the web a less than ideal source for such analysis long before LLMs. It also made the web a less than ideal source for training. And yet LLMs were still fed articles written for Googlebot, not humans. ML/LLM is the second…

> ML/LLM is the second iteration of writing pollution. The first was humans writing for corporate bots, not other humans.

Based on the process above, naturally, the third iteration then is LLMs writing for corporate bots, neither for humans nor for other LLMs.

Re: Why wordfreq will not be updated

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post #53

Somehow related, paper books from before 2020 could be a valuable commodity in a in a decade or two, when the Internet will be full of slop and even contemporary paper books will be treated with suspicion. And there will be human talking heads posing as the authors of books written by very smart AIs. God, why are we doing this????

And I thought I had some kind of mental illness collecting all those books, barely reading them. Need to do that more now.

Yes. I've always loved my books but now consider them my most valuable possessions.

Re: Why wordfreq will not be updated

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are smaller, gated communities that are still very valuable. You're posting in one. But yes, the open Internet is basically useless now, thanks ultimately to advertising as a business model.

I've seen plenty of comments here that read like they've been generated by an LLM, if this is a gated community we need a better gate.

It's hard to tell, though. People have been saying my borderline autistic comments sound like GPT for years now.

Re: Why wordfreq will not be updated

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post #300

This is one of the vanguards warning of the changes coming in the post-AI world. >> Generative AI has polluted the data Just like low-background steel marks the break in history from before and after the nuclear age, these types of data mark the distinction from before and after AI. Future models will begin to continue to amplify certain statistical properties from their training, that amplified data will continue to…

> Soon there will be no new low frequency ideas being removed from the data, only old low frequency ideas. Language's descriptive power is further eliminated and only the AIs seem able to produce anything that might represent the shadow of novelty. But it ends when the machines can only produce unintelligible pages of particles and articles, language is lost, civilization is lost when we no longer know what to call its downfall.

Or we'll be fine, because inbreeding isn't actually sustainable either economically nor technologically, and to most of the world the Silicon Valley "AI" crowd is more an obnoxious gang of socially stunted and predatory weirdos than some unstoppable omnipotent force.

Re: Why wordfreq will not be updated

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post #203

I regret the situation led to the OP feel discourage about the NLP community, wo which I belong, and I just want to say "we're not all like that", even though it is a trend and we're close to peak hype (slightly past even?). The complaint about pollution of the Web with artificial content is timely, and it's not even the first time due to spam farms intended to game PageRank, among other nonsense. This may just mean…

What if the way for good to prevail is to reject technologies and beliefs that have become destructive?

Re: Why wordfreq will not be updated

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post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That went off the rails quickly. Calm down dude: my mother-in-law isn't going to forget words because of AI; she's gonna forget words because she's 3 glasses of crappy Texas wine into the evening.

But your children's children will never learn about love because that word will have been mechanically trained out of existence.

That's pretty funny. You think love is just a word?

Re: Why wordfreq will not be updated

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post #4

I created https://lowbackgroundsteel.ai/ in 2023 as a place to gather references to unpolluted datasets. I'll add wordfreq. Please submit stuff to the Tumblr.

:'( I thought I was clever for realising this parallel myself! Guess it's more obvious than I thought.

Another example is how data on humans after 2020 or so can't be separated by sex because gender activists fought to stop recording sex in statistics on crime, medicine, etc.

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