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Post by kettlepot1337 »

donohoe wrote: post #295
ljlolel wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re also incredibly non-diverse and complain about big tech being non-diverse.

“Incredibly non-diverse”? No. They are in a better position than most https://www.nytco.com/2023-new-york-times-diversity-and-incl... The my don’t complain about tech being non-diverse, they report that it is non-diverse - which is true.

>> “Incredibly non-diverse”? No. They are in a better position than most

Absolutely not. This is typical trickery of stats. They have diversity at lower levels. But unlike SV almost no diversity at senior ranks. I think its past time that we consider janitorial and admin jobs as a win. If we have legions of educated minorities, why aren't they making it into executive roles at the NY Times?

Here is the exec staff: https://www.nytco.com/company/people/ "Filter by executive"

There are >64 million Hispanics living in the United States, yet not a single one on the NYT exec team.

They have 1 token asian,

1 token black person.

That is not "Better position than most." That seems like 3x worse than your average tech firm.

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Post by jimbokun »

ekianjo wrote: post #318
Larrikin wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which ones?

every employer that has quotas for non-white employees? that necessarily follows. not that its not limited to race. if an org wants more women they will actively select candidates based on gender first.

Which employers are those?

In the US, they would be blatantly violating the law and targets for lawsuits.

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Post by draw_down »

_cs2017_ wrote: post #348

How much of a comp boost would an average NYT tech worker get if the union succeeded? Let's say 10% for the sake of the argument. Please correct me if I'm way off. Wouldn't they be able to get a much higher comp by interviewing with other local tech firms? If so, why don't they? Seems more effective than waiting and hoping for a small increase through the union.

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Post by zingababba »

goosejuice wrote: post #339
devwastaken wrote: post #336

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This is because software dev is a volatile market. It doesn't matter how "talented" you are, it's about your rank in the social circles and it shows in the product. There is now far more devs than there is work for them. This is a planned strategy to reduce salaries. If you're "talented". Make your money and get out asap.

Planned by whom?

Them >_<

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Post by robertlagrant »

marxisttemp wrote: post #375

Let’s all remember that the vast majority of programmers are not mathematicians, nor logicians, nor authors, we are tradespeople. And you’ll notice that tradespeople in almost every other industry unionize.

I don't understand - how are programmers different to logicians in a way that's relevant to this?

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Post by marxisttemp »

robertlagrant wrote: post #376
marxisttemp wrote: post #375

Let’s all remember that the vast majority of programmers are not mathematicians, nor logicians, nor authors, we are tradespeople. And you’ll notice that tradespeople in almost every other industry unionize.

I don't understand - how are programmers different to logicians in a way that's relevant to this?

Very few programmers I know spend their time devising logical theorems. They spend their time plumbing and engineering systems.

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Post by azemetre »

sensanaty wrote: post #293

Always love seeing the temporarily-embarassed-billionaire-CEO type on HN espousing anti-union views. Such a fascinating indoctrination happening there every time.

It's not hard to understand, this is a site where people champion working overtime hours for the chance at a lottery ticket or prefer working for companies that are destructive to society and anticompetitive.

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Post by skapadia »

soerxpso wrote: post #224
ugh123 wrote: post #152

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> These are high paid tech workers in a high paid industry. How are they being exploited Nail on the head. I'd be grateful to do their job for half of what they make (and I could probably do it just as well). There are thousands of highly qualified tech workers currently working as Starbucks baristas who feel the same way. I don't know exactly what the legal options NYT has to handle this are, but I imagine the union…

- "There are thousands of highly qualified tech workers currently working as Starbucks baristas who feel the same way."

Do you have a source for this data?

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Post by realce »

kortilla wrote: post #251
consteval wrote: post #197

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These "X has it worse" arguments are tiresome and lack any sort of rigor. There's modern day slavery in the world. Today. Even in the US we have compelled labor - it's a whole thing in the Georgia prison system. Those McDonald's burger flippers are essentially slaves, and I bet you didn't know that. But if we subscribe to the ideology of "X has it worse" nothing would get done, ever. The reality is even in seemingly…

> it's a whole thing in the Georgia prison system. Those McDonald's burger flippers are essentially slaves, and I bet you didn't know that The prisoners yes, the McDonald’s workers absolutely not. The avg McDonald’s worker tenure is quite short and having briefly been one, I can assure you it’s nothing like slavery. Get a grip.

https://www.restaurantdive.com/news/mcdonalds-kfc-burger-kin...

https://apnews.com/article/prison-to-plate-inmate-labor-inve...

> Get a grip

I'd suggest you be more curious when others are confident about injustice in the future.

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