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Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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AnimalMuppet wrote: post #362
practicemaths wrote: post #339

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I do not understand the statement "Everyone would benefit from competition". How is that not an oxymoron? Surely those that do not win in a competition are losers. How is that a benefit to them?

"Everyone" meaning "everyone as a whole", not absolutely every individual. If there's more than one grocery store, I probably get better prices. (Or, negatively, if there's only one then I probably get worse prices.) And so with every other aspect of the economy.

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Post by burnte »

practicemaths wrote: post #339
chii wrote: post #319

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> that would benefit everyone. no, it would benefit the shareholders. The regulations imposed by the gov't (which is meant to be representitive) would reign in the excess externalization. Everyone would benefit from competition, when it does happen.

I do not understand the statement "Everyone would benefit from competition". How is that not an oxymoron? Surely those that do not win in a competition are losers. How is that a benefit to them?

Fair competition drives out inefficient players, and generally can keep costs down for consumers. That's what it means, it doesn't literally mean every single person will profit, but competition makes for healthier markets than lack thereof.

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Post by ASalazarMX »

sgu999 wrote: post #307
BirAdam wrote: post #280

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No one really “let them” destroy things. This is one of the key dangers of majoritarian government. The moment that people can vote for representatives the representatives will be purchased, and later, the votes will purchased. Once this happens, money will be destroyed to allow the purchasing class to rob the wealth of the civilization, and this leads to financialization of economics. This pattern has been repeated…

> This is one of the key dangers of majoritarian government. The moment that people can vote for representatives the representatives will be purchased What better alternatives are you thinking of? An intelligent, compassionate, eco-friendly and forward-thinking dictator would be great I guess, but historically that's not the ones emerging on top.

The current system is not that bad, a radical shift towards government transparency would help a lot. Make it hard to hide bribery, corruption, and plain evilness, pay well but make it hard to sell favours in the dark. Make it easy for public officers to pay for blatant crimes. Make it hard for a single political group to revert transparency.

Politicians would have more shit to throw around, yes, but hopefully the worst of them will look elsewhere for the easy money if it can't be had that easily in public office.

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Post by practicemaths »

burnte wrote: post #372
practicemaths wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not understand the statement "Everyone would benefit from competition". How is that not an oxymoron? Surely those that do not win in a competition are losers. How is that a benefit to them?

Fair competition drives out inefficient players, and generally can keep costs down for consumers. That's what it means, it doesn't literally mean every single person will profit, but competition makes for healthier markets than lack thereof.

So, competition benefits consumers, which are a subset of society. Say that instead.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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Post by practicemaths »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #362
practicemaths wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not understand the statement "Everyone would benefit from competition". How is that not an oxymoron? Surely those that do not win in a competition are losers. How is that a benefit to them?

"Everyone" meaning "everyone as a whole", not absolutely every individual. If there's more than one grocery store, I probably get better prices. (Or, negatively, if there's only one then I probably get worse prices.) And so with every other aspect of the economy.

So, if competition is supposed to fix other aspects of the economy, why is healthcare disproportionately high compared to other things?

There are several hospitals around me. Endless amount of doctor offices. There are several health insurance companies I can choose from. There is competition. Yet, prices are not affordable for most.

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Post by imtringued »

the_duke wrote: post #243
cco wrote: post #194

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There is a very interesting video from Smarter Every Day that suggests everyone knows that the SLS is physically incapable of landing on the moon as designed but nobody seems to be mentioning it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoJsPvmFixU

You got things very confused. SLS is the thing that launches Orion, which is the capsule with humans inside. SLS isn't capable enough to get that capsule into lunar orbit. Orion also isn't landing by itself though, it just transfers the astronauts to a landing vehicle (SpaceX Starship, currently...), which lands and then starts again. The thing brought up in that video is that the rendezvous point should probably be…

Unfortunately there is no alternative to Orion so far.

No, Starship may carry people to the moon, but getting them off the moon isn't possible. The lunar Starship won't return to LEO.

The closest thing you could do is send another Starship and do the same NRHO docking that SLS+Orion is already doing and then instead of aerobraking, do a deceleration burn to get an LEO capture. That is the only way without Orion. For better or worse, Orion in NRHO is indispensable.

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Post by mrguyorama »

whatshisface wrote: post #84
mr90210 wrote: post #60

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NNT wrote Skin in the Game, which discusses such types of managers who cause similar damages. He argues that there should be clawbacks to managers that harm a company to the degree Boeing’s current management has. He invokes The Code of Hammurabi to illustrate how ancient civilization used to deal with such class of professionals.

The Soviet Union would actually send managers to GULAG for "wrecking," or other labor crimes, and it didn't really help. In fact, "accountability" was the only thing the USSR did not have a short supply of. Extraordinary punishments don't help if the system for figuring out who's doing a good job, and who isn't, is not working in the first place.

Sending management to the gulag because they didn't meet a stupid an unrealistic quota is NOT "accountability". The USSR did NOT have accountability. If Stalin liked you, you rarely went to the gulag. If Stalin didn't like you, you went to the gulag. That's not accountability and no citizen ever parsed it as such.

You can't just shoot random people and pretend that's accountability.

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Post by jameslk »

BirAdam wrote: post #361
snapcaster wrote: post #308

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I assume you're saying because of the fed, but wouldn't it be more appropriate to mark JP Morgan's efforts to create monopolies throughout the economy a better start point?

Well, this is why I pointed out McKinley and also stated the process did start shortly after the founding. True financialization only after Morgan and his friends met and formed the Fed tho, which was 1913. Once the Fed was in place, they could vastly expand the amount of available credit, bribe and purchase without restraint, and start the type of economy to which we are all now accustomed. Importantly, this pattern…

Where have you learned about this? I’ve been casually spelunking into the US economic past, mostly via Wikipedia, but I’d love to know if there are other better sources to check out. Especially around where you drew that conclusion of “capitalism” vs “financialism”

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

HideousKojima wrote: post #312
underlipton wrote: post #306

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Everything about this reeks to me. Why do we need to build so many warships? (To fight China? We're going to war with another nuclear power?) Why are we fighting Houthi rebels? But also, why isn't the government sponsoring this training? Why is it only thousands, and not hundreds of thousands or even millions of workers being trained? And when did the call go out that they were going to be offering training? (I never…

>Why are we fighting Houthi rebels? Because they're attacking commercial shipping heading to and from the Suez Canal? I mean it wlso pleases our Saudi allies but the shipping attacks are the main concern.

Why are they doing that?

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Post by rdtsc »

gcr wrote: post #311
rdtsc wrote: post #288

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> So, what next? our organs? Not even kidding. There are villages around where I grew up, a good number of adults have one kidney only. Now if they manage to kidnap and kill a person, now they got two kidneys, a heart, a liver and other stuff.

Whoa cool how come?

It’s puzzle for us all to figure out.
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