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Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

freediver wrote: post #271
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And Yandex isn't much better for non cyrillic search, I like Yandex when I'm rabbit-holing after obscure musicians/music. I routinely have a better experience than I do with DDG or Kagi or Goog.

Kagi also uses Yandex index so it would be unusual that something exists in Yandex and not in Kagi results.

> Kagi also uses Yandex index so it would be unusual that something exists in Yandex and not in Kagi results.

I've no reason to doubt this so I'll attribute it to which results get pushed higher in the rankings. Different entities hold power in the E & W hemispheres and that can influence search results to a degree.

Past that, there are some things I get at Yandex because Kagi seems incapable of searching for them. ex: Long strings like MD5 and larger hashes.

edit:30 seconds after posting I searched a hash and Kagi sent back a ton of results. As recently as last week I got zero results (diff hash).

That's the 2nd time in a week Kagi disproved a complaint of mine. I hope they continue to do so.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by pas »

throwaway290 wrote: post #369
pas wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like this example because I tried making a greeting card "by hand" and it of course sucked ass. (As I have zero idea how to use Photoshop despite religiously reading the tutorials 20 years ago on a community site :D And, of course, I used PhotoPea.) So by spending the same 20 minutes fiddling with some kind of graphics if the outcome becomes 10x better then I see that as an advantage. (That said I haven't tried thi…

> Well, maybe! In no time we'll board the Axios and just chill. This was sarcasm. That system would never happen. If birthday card requires no effort it is worse than nothing, literal noise. > So by spending the same 20 minutes fiddling with some kind of graphics if the outcome becomes 10x better then I see that as an advantage. (That said I haven't tried this.) Feels like you misunderstood. It is not "10x better" or…

> It is not "10x better" or "advantage" because literally the easier it was for you the less it is valuable.

... why? The closer I can approximate my imagined output (in a fixed time) the more value I see in it. The tool provides the added value.

We have better cameras than 30 years ago. Better pictures. It's easier to make a better photo in the same amount of time. I would be happier if my old blurry photos would be better.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by throwaway290 »

pas wrote: post #374
throwaway290 wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Well, maybe! In no time we'll board the Axios and just chill. This was sarcasm. That system would never happen. If birthday card requires no effort it is worse than nothing, literal noise. > So by spending the same 20 minutes fiddling with some kind of graphics if the outcome becomes 10x better then I see that as an advantage. (That said I haven't tried this.) Feels like you misunderstood. It is not "10x better" or…

> It is not "10x better" or "advantage" because literally the easier it was for you the less it is valuable. ... why? The closer I can approximate my imagined output (in a fixed time) the more value I see in it. The tool provides the added value. We have better cameras than 30 years ago. Better pictures. It's easier to make a better photo in the same amount of time. I would be happier if my old blurry photos would be…

the point it how difficult it is for you. the easier the present the less it is valuable. now you backtrack and mention that you have imagination and vision, and you spend effort trying to bring it to life, sure. but the original sentence was to just "ask some GenAI tool to make them a nice picture for their friend's birthday". which of course can be automated with a button.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by niutech »

lopis wrote: post #354
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #279

"If you use Bing, DuckDuckGo, Mojeek, Qwant or any other alternative search engine that doesn't rely on Google's indexing and search Reddit by using "site:reddit.com," you will not see any results from the last week." The veracity of this statement is questionable. I found at least four web search engines not using Google's index that produced results from the last week. Example: Recent eruption at Yellowstone Black…

Ecosia does use Google or Bing, which you can select in the settings.

But Brave Search has their own independent index.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by niutech »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #88
voisin wrote: post #67

Makes sense that Google did this deal since their search quality tanked and they became an de facto front end UI for Reddit.

Up until 2016 (I think, +/- 1 year), if you could remember 3 uncommon words in a comment, you could find any reddit post instantly on Google. I'd want to follow up on a thread from weeks ago, and it was magic. Number one result. Then one day that just stopped working, and even adding site:*.reddit.com didn't fix it. At the time, I think, I didn't realize that it was mostly Google's fault, I thought maybe Reddit had c…

Have you tried Verbatim search in Google?

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by pas »

throwaway290 wrote: post #375
pas wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is not "10x better" or "advantage" because literally the easier it was for you the less it is valuable. ... why? The closer I can approximate my imagined output (in a fixed time) the more value I see in it. The tool provides the added value. We have better cameras than 30 years ago. Better pictures. It's easier to make a better photo in the same amount of time. I would be happier if my old blurry photos would be…

the point it how difficult it is for you. the easier the present the less it is valuable. now you backtrack and mention that you have imagination and vision, and you spend effort trying to bring it to life, sure. but the original sentence was to just "ask some GenAI tool to make them a nice picture for their friend's birthday". which of course can be automated with a button.

You interpreted that part to mean "no customization", I meant as a tool for customization.

Value is relative, of course, that's why exchange/trade works, right? And the same applies here too, with the added complications of explicitly "unknowable price", after all I don't know apriori how much value my friend will assign to the card!

In general there are many situations that map closer to your understanding than mine, but I think you are dismissing also a lot of perfectly valid ones where your model simply doesn't apply.

For example if said friend values effort, but "apparent concept vs. actual results fidelity" is not part of effort for them.

Yet still we don't know if they value effort as in time spent (because if they value time spent then it's the same value in both of my scenarios) or if they value some "visible handcraftedness" (effort to produce something that I am known to be very amateur at). And even then the question arises, isn't picking the best tool for the job itself effort?

Of course if this friend simply abbors GenAI shit then they will think it's "low effort" even if I put hours and hours into it (that I wouldn't have put into a traditional image manipulation software, because there I realized soon that I would need months of learning, etc.)

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by not_wyoming »

zooq_ai wrote: post #211
arnaudsm wrote: post #186

I understand the AI context, but this is dangerously anticompetitive for other search engines. This is a dangerous precedent for the internet. Business conglomerates have been controlling most of the web, but refusing basic interoperability is even worse.

There is nothing preventing search companies paying the same $60 Million to license content. If reddit had exclusive agreement, it would be anti-competive. This is classic HN anti-Google tirade (and downvoting facts, logic and concepts of free market)

Juiciest update I’ve ever gotten to share: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/05/technology/google-antitru...
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