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Europe's new heavy-lift rocket, Ariane 6, made its inaugural flight

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Re: Europe's new heavy-lift rocket, Ariane 6, made its inaugural flight

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So why lie about NATO being "purely defensive"?

Beats me, it wasn't my post. The main thing is that Russia needs to pull its troops out of all of Ukraine; return those 20,000 abducted kids; set and adhere to a timetable for paying full reparations; and re-affirm its commitment to respecting the inviolable sovereignty of all of its neighbors, permanently and irrevocably. After that we can dissect past NATO transgressions, and fix all the poorly thought / ahistorica…

Clearly that is not what Russia needs.

Re: Europe's new heavy-lift rocket, Ariane 6, made its inaugural flight

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I suggested funding multiple ones.

China has multiple rocket startups now, they are not too successful.

Galactic energy has had 13/14 successful launches, how is that not successful?

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Europe needs the US more than the US needs Europe as far as NATO is concerned, the defence spending disparities speak for themselves. I sincerely question the logic behind our servicemen putting their lives on the line for someone resenting America this bad.

> Europe needs the US more than the US needs Europe as far as NATO is concerned, the defence spending disparities speak for themselves. As far as the USA hegemony is concerned, NATO is an instrumental piece of soft and hard power. You are parroting Trump's arguments about defence spending as if the US spending is only concerning NATO, the US spend a lot in defence because it's been your bread and butter to maintain a…

>You are parroting Trump's arguments about defence spending as if the US spending is only concerning NATO, the US spend a lot in defence because it's been your bread and butter to maintain a global reach as a superpower, the moment you lose this you'll see America's influence diminish, if that's what you wish please go ahead and pull out but so far it's been very beneficial to you in the USA to be the de facto global enforcer during Pax Americana.

American influence and Pax Americana is on its way out this century one way or another, including the fact it's not even just Trump who is pushing for it. Remember Obama declared America is no longer the world police.

Our insane defence budget is a common point of criticism by other countries including so-called "allies", and yet y'all bitch very loudly if we so much as suggest acting on them (eg: leave NATO). Get your act together and at least pretend you want us around, otherwise I repeat my sentiment that I doubt the logic of things like NATO.

>Geopolitics are not based on feelings, it's based on advantages and trade-offs, your feelings don't matter for this.

America is a democracy, so ultimately our everything is based on the feelings of the people who vote. I for one do not want to see servicemen get stationed at and fight for countries who resent us, end of.

Also see inglor_cz's comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40927190

>You are also forgetting 4 years of Trump with a possible re-election of this piece of shit,

Given the choices presented, I am in fact voting for Trump. Problem?

>there are reasons for allies to be resenting America, it's becoming unstable and less trustworthy.

Then, once again, stop complaining when or if we act upon your claims because we're tired of the bullshit.

Re: Europe's new heavy-lift rocket, Ariane 6, made its inaugural flight

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Beats me, it wasn't my post. The main thing is that Russia needs to pull its troops out of all of Ukraine; return those 20,000 abducted kids; set and adhere to a timetable for paying full reparations; and re-affirm its commitment to respecting the inviolable sovereignty of all of its neighbors, permanently and irrevocably. After that we can dissect past NATO transgressions, and fix all the poorly thought / ahistorica…

Clearly that is not what Russia needs.

And Germany once thought it "needed" to regain its colonies, and France once thought its very survival would be threatened if it didn't hold onto Algeria, and so on.

Re: Europe's new heavy-lift rocket, Ariane 6, made its inaugural flight

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Clearly that is not what Russia needs.

And Germany once thought it "needed" to regain its colonies, and France once thought its very survival would be threatened if it didn't hold onto Algeria, and so on.

The US once thought it needed to prevent Soviet nukes from appearing on Cuba, almost started WW3 over it and got what it needed.

Re: Europe's new heavy-lift rocket, Ariane 6, made its inaugural flight

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China has multiple rocket startups now, they are not too successful.

Galactic energy has had 13/14 successful launches, how is that not successful?

Those are launches of small rocket flying on toxic hydrazine and capable of getting whopping 300 kg of payload into LEO. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Energy#Ceres-1

Re: Europe's new heavy-lift rocket, Ariane 6, made its inaugural flight

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And Germany once thought it "needed" to regain its colonies, and France once thought its very survival would be threatened if it didn't hold onto Algeria, and so on.

The US once thought it needed to prevent Soviet nukes from appearing on Cuba, almost started WW3 over it and got what it needed.

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Re: Europe's new heavy-lift rocket, Ariane 6, made its inaugural flight

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And Germany once thought it "needed" to regain its colonies, and France once thought its very survival would be threatened if it didn't hold onto Algeria, and so on.

The US once thought it needed to prevent Soviet nukes from appearing on Cuba, almost started WW3 over it and got what it needed.

That's what I mean by backward-looking. Putin is so obsessed with his perceived stature and "correcting" past humiliations that he's willing to create a completely fictional crisis and drive his country into a never-ending meatgrinder war just to prove some abstract geopolitical point.

Re: Europe's new heavy-lift rocket, Ariane 6, made its inaugural flight

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Galactic energy has had 13/14 successful launches, how is that not successful?

Those are launches of small rocket flying on toxic hydrazine and capable of getting whopping 300 kg of payload into LEO. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Energy#Ceres-1

Ok? Aren’t you shifting goalposts now? Is rocket lab also not successful, because they only have 300 kg payload, too? And how does the toxicity of the fuel matter?

Re: Europe's new heavy-lift rocket, Ariane 6, made its inaugural flight

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The US is sending military payloads with private, low-cost commercial launch provider SpaceX. The success of this model hasn’t gone unnoticed by China, who are funding several private rocket companies (such as Space Pioneer) to develop reusable launch platforms in competition with the state-owned contractor CASC. They are making rapid progress!

The US is sending their military payloads with a US company they have invested in, and most likely have special, undisclosed deals with. It is not just "a commercial launch provider". I don't expect the US to launch their military payloads with Chinese rockets, private or not, in the same way I don't expect China to use SpaceX for their own military payloads. Same thing for the EU, they prefer to send their military…

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