Live data from Hacker News

When do we stop finding new music?

statsignificant.com

371–380 of 585 posts

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

#371
post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any recommendations?

want electronic jazz? check out cumulus frisbee or more electro funk with a gangster twist? vincent antone is superb

Digging these! I will trade you one cumulus frisbee for one soul supreme.

And in exchange for Vincent Antone, I will trade you one Chromeo

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

#372

I discussed this with a friend pretty recently. I wondered whether I was getting "older" because I couldn't find anything I liked about the current rappy-pop or soft, high-pitched chic-pop that you hear over loudspeakers at the grocery store, gym, etc. It's grating to listen to, majority of the stuff I can't even determine what the melody is supposed to be. Then I realized that I'm listening to new alt/indie stuff th…

And at the same time, publishing music has never been easier. There is so much good stuff out there but you aren't going to find it if your process for finding new music is letting the same guys that made top 40 with payola jam their same lowest common denominator shit down your through with algorithmically generated playlists.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

#373

I must be some sort of freak. I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s listening to classic rock, and a lot of it I can’t even stand any more due to the incredibly small playlists that most classic rock stations use. In my 20’s I started listening to a lot of classical and then jazz. In the 90’s a lot of grunge which’s I still love. After that was trance in the 2000’s, then ambient, techno and IDM after that. I still listen to…

They use a set of researched tracks by Arbitron and others seeking to maximize AD revenue by demographic. There is a TON of great classic rock to enjoy that never sees airplay and the reason is the researched tunes have "known" demographics that can be sold.

I have started a little research project wherein I have been harvesting the feeds of various Internet-active radio stations so I can look for the "deep cuts." Not just for classic rock, but for various "new wave" stations, as well as combining old "top 500" lists, and so on. I am nowhere near done, but I have made some notes that confirm old suspicions.

One, you're quite right about classic rock having a lot of deep cuts that just don't make it outside of some specific instances. On the other hand, not only was new wave not entirely congruent to the 1980s, but a lot of what gets called new wave on various stations is only music that existed in the 1980s, rather than being actual new wave. New wave was fairly tight and the rest is padding.

"Darkjazz" really came and went, and it's unfortunate. I'm still working my way through it but there was a hell of a drop-off.

Speaking of researched tracks, I think when an artist dies, there's a contraction of what of their tracks get played on air.

Another thought, this one purely math. If you bought, say, ten CDs every year, new releases, well, the average age of your collection will age at about half your own age rate. The only ways to prevent that, if this concerns you, is to either jettison your old music or gather ever-increasing amounts of new music.

All of this is to say that, unless your preference is "whatever is on the radio ... played a reasonable volume" (Pictures for Sad Children), you're swimming upstream, against the fantastically evolved. Taste gave way to faddishness, then payola, and now, well, The Algorithm. It's a fight to find what you might like rather than what is just being extruded like soft serve.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

#374
post #303

I expect it'll never happen to me. My dad was still actively seeking out new music when I was a kid, streaming college radio via the Internet before Pandora, Last.fm, or Spotify were things. He's in his 60s today and he still listens to new music (in a range of genres) all the time. If novelty in music is actually important to you, this won't happen to you.

> If novelty in music is actually important to you, this won't happen to you.

Novelty in music of novelty of music? I never considered one could care about the former (it certainly seems orthogonal to popular music, which is all about being new but never novel). So you are actively seeking out to you new genres and artists?

I'm not a completionist, so I'm OK with missing out. I do keep track of artists or (sub)genres to check out, but I very rarely have time to actually check some of it out. I have so much music that the past years I've been deleting more than adding, and I still haven't heard much of it well. Also by now I realize tastes change but also experiences, a song sounds different in different phases of your life it seems.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

#375
post #303

I expect it'll never happen to me. My dad was still actively seeking out new music when I was a kid, streaming college radio via the Internet before Pandora, Last.fm, or Spotify were things. He's in his 60s today and he still listens to new music (in a range of genres) all the time. If novelty in music is actually important to you, this won't happen to you.

> If novelty in music is actually important to you, this won't happen to you.

Assuming what's "actually important to you" remains fixed as you age. The article suggests otherwise, with caveats:

> At the same time, stagnation is not a certainty. Research suggests that open-eardness and the discovery of new songs can be cultivated. Finding new music is a challenge, but it is achievable with dedicated time and effort.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

#376

I must be some sort of freak. I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s listening to classic rock, and a lot of it I can’t even stand any more due to the incredibly small playlists that most classic rock stations use. In my 20’s I started listening to a lot of classical and then jazz. In the 90’s a lot of grunge which’s I still love. After that was trance in the 2000’s, then ambient, techno and IDM after that. I still listen to…

I’m similarly weird. I grew up in the 90s and listened to a lot of grunge when I was 14 (the music age we seem to prefer according to the article). But I can barely listen to the music from that time anymore. It just sounds so dated, maybe because I listened to it too much? Something like Pearl Jam or Soundgarden just sounds so dreadful now.

Instead, music has become much more timeless for me. 50/60ies jazz, 70s prog rock, Bowie, 2010s hiphop, it’s really all over the place.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

#378
post #168

I find it interesting that GenZ and Millennials show a much smaller preference for their own decade's music. https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_pr... The 1980s are still doing quite well among all but the oldest generation. Is it possible that music may actually be getting worse? Corporatized, consolidated, computerized. Look at Hollywood now too: everything is a sequel, prequel, remake, reboot…

> Corporatized, consolidated, computerized. wtf, pick a word and say it. Stop spewing nonsense

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

#380

I must be some sort of freak. I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s listening to classic rock, and a lot of it I can’t even stand any more due to the incredibly small playlists that most classic rock stations use. In my 20’s I started listening to a lot of classical and then jazz. In the 90’s a lot of grunge which’s I still love. After that was trance in the 2000’s, then ambient, techno and IDM after that. I still listen to…

I'm the bane of any recommendation algorithm. They just give me random crap because nobody, not even me, can figure out my taste. I like a little bit of virtually everything, with no rhyme or reason.

"You once listened to a cover from Metallica of an Ennio Morricone song? Here's Metallica entire discography as a suggestion!"

-- the recommendation algorithm

Post reply on HN