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Re: This is a teenager

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Post by maherbeg »

somenameforme wrote: post #189
toomuchtodo wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that humanity will die out so long as only willing, intentional parents have children? That is an interesting thesis and conclusion to come to (total fertility rate = 0 vs somewhere between 0 and 2.1 [replacement rate]). We should empower people who want children to succeed, and empower people who don't want children to never have them. What happens after that, we can solve for.

I think many people have a misunderstanding of what lower fertility means. Imagine a country has a fertility rate of 1. It doesn't seem that bad because it's pretty close to replacement. But fertility is an exponential system. So a fertility rate of means that each following generation (~20 years) will be half as large as the one that came before it (the formula is simply a ratio of fertility_rate/2). So you won't se…

Saying society is going to collapse due to population decline is about as absurd as saying society will collapse due to overpopulation.

What will end up happening is that some groups will maintain replacement fertility levels or higher, and some groups won't, but we'll trend towards an equilibrium, or flop between too little fertility and too much fertility. Either way we won't go extinct unless we explicitly kill each other.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by refulgentis »

cameldrv wrote: post #364

The punchline is this: "It's 2021. The research participants are in their late-30s now, which means they've had plenty of time to shape their own destinies. But we can clearly see that the experiences of their childhood had a huge effect on their financial situation as adults. It also has an effect on virtually everything else in their lives." You cannot infer the direction of causality from this data, i.e. that the…

> Certainly not a bad thing to do, but just giving them some books is not going to make them like the better off kids in all of the other (highly correlated) ways that they're different

From personal experience, I can absolutely vouch for that. 35, came from nowhere with nothing, absentee parents, out of house by 15. Dropped out of college, waited tables, did a startup, sold it, worked for 7 years at Google, now I'm doing my 2nd startup.

Does it fix everything? No.

But it gave me something to do that wasn't TV, and it kept me safe from [redacted] dad and [redacted] mom, I could hole up wherever I wanted and spend hours in them.

You'd be surprised at the things that are lifelines. I had a really hard time explaining to this CS PhD dude who ran a weekend night basketball league for no particular reason how different and better that kept my life the last couple years of high school.

You aren't shifting the whole distribution with one act, but just like the little shifts add up in the negative, they add up in the positive too.

I remember a woman in her 30s running into me in the library lugging around those 7 volume MSDN published sets at 9 years old. She was incredulous and told me to keep it up. That mattered! No one had even noticed me or remarked on it before, gave me pride.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by naasking »

fzeindl wrote: post #218
subpixel wrote: post #6

Positive relationships with adults is shown to be means of counteracting adverse childhood experiences. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8237477/ I volunteer in a local school. It's not always fun, but something has to change.

This is old news. Basically children in bad situations need just one reliable person who believes in them in their lives. What it does is making them realize that it’s not them who are doing something wrong but that their surroundings are flawed. The problem begins when children start to believe everything is their own fault.

> What it does is making them realize that it’s not them who are doing something wrong but that their surroundings are flawed

Speculative. I rather think that it shows them that there are other ways of living and that they have agency to get there.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by [deleted] »

imacomputertoo wrote: post #209

The conclusion of this data presentation is that so of these people are our collective responsibility, and I just wasn't convinced. I wish they had shown percentages with the visualization. They choose not to. I was underwhelmed by some points that seemed like they should have been more shocking. Look at the huge number of people in the many adverse experiences category who made it to college, and make a high salary.…

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Re: This is a teenager

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Post by ein0p »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #146
ein0p wrote: post #136

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Some of your proposals sound bigoted. Open the borders. A family is, of course, a group of people who say they are a family. It need not be permanent, they might not have been a family last week, nor will they necessarily be a family next year. It's all very fluid and progressive. We wouldn't want to discourage the idea that there can be serial divorce and remarriage, picking up new step-siblings along the way.

You can’t have higher prosperity in the bottom deciles and unlimited supply of unskilled labor at the same time. If you think you can, do please enlighten us through what mechanism that could be achieved.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by ein0p »

qwery wrote: post #176
ein0p wrote: post #136

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What's your concrete proposal? Restrict the web to material featuring a concrete proposals? Establish concentration camps to re-educate those who would publish material lacking in concrete proposals? (Am I missing the irony or something?)

My post contains several concrete proposals.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by renjimen »

cameldrv wrote: post #364

The punchline is this: "It's 2021. The research participants are in their late-30s now, which means they've had plenty of time to shape their own destinies. But we can clearly see that the experiences of their childhood had a huge effect on their financial situation as adults. It also has an effect on virtually everything else in their lives." You cannot infer the direction of causality from this data, i.e. that the…

Given the order of events (childhood trauma THEN adult outcomes), and the strong relationships identified in the source material (while controlling for confounding factors), I think it's about as close as we can get to inferring directionality.

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Post by nox101 »

fragmede wrote: post #358
anon291 wrote: post #302

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Unfortunately a solid number of these things would rely on the moral equivalent of slavery. > Reduce the burden of poverty. For instance, the poorer you are the further you have to travel to the grocery store. The people who often don't have the means to easily travel for food have to travel for food. No one wants to work in these neighborhoods because they are invariably awful. At some point the risk of an employee…

OTOH, if being a cashier at the 7-11 paid $100k/yr in hazard pay, I'm sure you could find people willing to work there. the only question is where that money comes from.

That sounds like it has possible unintended consequences? "Go shoot lots of guns and do violent things and then our hazard pay will go up!"

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Post by James_K »

cameldrv wrote: post #364

The punchline is this: "It's 2021. The research participants are in their late-30s now, which means they've had plenty of time to shape their own destinies. But we can clearly see that the experiences of their childhood had a huge effect on their financial situation as adults. It also has an effect on virtually everything else in their lives." You cannot infer the direction of causality from this data, i.e. that the…

> But then you get into why the parents are poor in the first place, and there are many causes, but a lot of them get passed down to the next generation in one way or another.

Are you trying to say that these people are genetically poor?

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Post by andyferris »

ransom1538 wrote: post #329
richardlblair wrote: post #313

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My context is Canada where getting killed at work wouldn't been an issue. In the context I'm speaking about it would likely drive opportunity in low income neighborhoods. Canada also have horrific city planning, so when I say people need to travel far I mean they need to spend up to 3 hours in some major (major for us) cities just to get groceries. The US is a whole other can of worms, I don't know how to solve those…

Canada is about to become a 2nd world country. No industry, no ability to own a home, no healthcare [1], only one party, banking restrictions, etc etc,. 1. Healthcare is where you can see a doctor.

I also had trouble when we needed to see a GP when we lived in Canada. Seemed strange.

The hospital seemed functional, at least.

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