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AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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I don't know much music theory but the chord progression in the first 4 bars it seems to deliberately miss the final chord, which leaves us without resolution. The next chord sounds like a change but we don't know what the root it is going to (so any chord would make sense, may it be a minor 6th or 3rd). Then there's this pedal note that is through the whole tune. It can be a tonic or a 7th so very ambiguous. It remi…

You “don’t know much music theory”, just more than 99% of the world…

It's truly kind of you : ]

I'm sure there are many here on this forum that are music theory gurus.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Some humans aren't even up to the standard of inference-based reasoning; it's quite a spectrum. But there's little reason to believe that carbon based reasoning, is fundamentally superior to silicon based reasoning, in the long term.

We'd had computers before we started making them out of silicon semiconductors. Computer Science still puts the same restrictions on what we can compute.

It really wasn't about the silicon, that was just a playful turn of phrase. There is no logical argument that really justifies the belief that humans contain some sort of magic that can't be duplicated by other technologies.

Assuming humans get their capabilities by physics and their bodies... those same elements are available to be assembled elsewhere, in non-human form. Many of us have a very strong psychological need to feel like we're somehow special, but I have never been convinced that we are. Just like we built machines that could best human physical abilities, we'll eventually build machines that best our intellectual abilities, too.

As a child, when I used to talk about how great machines were to my parents, they used to laugh at me and say that robots would never be able to walk like humans, as robots back then, couldn't navigate stairs. My parents thought that human ambulation was unique, and impossible to replicate in non-human form, there was no technology they could imagine being able to duplicate such dexterity. They were wrong, as we see that technology developing just fine today.

And I believe that people who desperately hope that our intelligence will never be matched in "artificial" form, are just as short-sighted and wrong as my parents were back then.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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I tried rap version, sounds more interesting, IMHO https://suno.com/song/7dde1028-1df9-407c-80ea-59d39179a385

Extended version containing the full license text: https://suno.com/song/a7de19a3-5fe8-4634-844b-3babcc2e170e

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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How do they make songs that long? I only got 53 seconds.

You can extend the song, and then combine the different parts to create one, long song. This video explains it well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMKGWSiXW8A

Thank you, with that I managed to fit the full license text into a rap version: https://suno.com/song/a7de19a3-5fe8-4634-844b-3babcc2e170e

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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When I go up to the self-service booth in McDonalds, go through the menu and select a portion of McNuggets the result food has been made, the food was only made because of my actions, no nuggets would have been made if I specifically didn't want them, but to say I am the one who cooked them would be absurd. Like, if Trent Reznor had produced Hurt not by putting his doubts, self loathing and pain into words and music,…

The meaning the listener imparts to the song is constructed in the listener's head, a combination of the song and the listener's own knowledge, experiences, personality and emotions. I knew nothing about Trent Reznor the first time I heard "Hurt". Often when a song is heard on the radio - perhaps a sentence that dates me, but even so - there is no explanation of where it came from or even what it's called to accompan…

> The meaning the listener imparts to the song is constructed in the listener's head, a combination of the song and the listener's own knowledge, experiences, personality and emotions.

This is reductionist IMO. The equivalent seems to me to be, "the meaning the reader of words imparts to the meaning is constructed in the reader's head..." but clearly the vast majority of the meaning of the words is derived from the writer's intention. Of course that can be misinterpreted, reinterpreted, co-opted, etc, but regardless, it doesn't mean the author can be simply ignored, or that a psuedo-random generation can be treated the same as human-generated.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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post #64

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For me all art I enjoy has some aspect of connection to someone that's sharing my human experience. If we get AGI, I could imagine feeling something towards the art such an entity creates, since a big part of the human experience that we would probably share with an AGI is inescapable death. But for today's "AI" generated music, I feel the same towards it as I would towards the random step function output of a given…

> sounds cool, now what can we do with that to make it into music? So a human using the tools of sound production is what transforms the function output into music. (Please let me know if I’m misunderstanding you). I think I see what you’re saying, but that’s already happened here hasn’t it? I mean, it's not as though an AI made the decision to generate this all by itself, a human had an idea to create this piece and…

> but the same could be said of conducting an orchestra versus playing a piano.

Conducting an orchestra is an important role but the music is mostly a result of first of all the composer, and then the conductor / arranger's interpretation as well as the skill of the musicians. I really don't see the similarity to a human input of "GNU license, sad, jazzy." The resolution is just way too rough.

In fact, imagine comparing the experience of reading Snow Crash, to reading the sentence, "Cyberpunk story with sci fi elements, VR universe, pizza delivery guy with samurai sword."

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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The meaning the listener imparts to the song is constructed in the listener's head, a combination of the song and the listener's own knowledge, experiences, personality and emotions. I knew nothing about Trent Reznor the first time I heard "Hurt". Often when a song is heard on the radio - perhaps a sentence that dates me, but even so - there is no explanation of where it came from or even what it's called to accompan…

> The meaning the listener imparts to the song is constructed in the listener's head, a combination of the song and the listener's own knowledge, experiences, personality and emotions. This is reductionist IMO. The equivalent seems to me to be, "the meaning the reader of words imparts to the meaning is constructed in the reader's head..." but clearly the vast majority of the meaning of the words is derived from the w…

> clearly the vast majority of the meaning of the words is derived from the writer's intention

This is not clear at all.

Written words are just marks on a surface. Whoever made them may have intended to convey something, but they made them and walked away; they are now absent, taking their intents with them; only the marks remain, and those are not sentient or even alive - they contain no intent. There is nothing about the patterns left behind in themselves that makes them different from any other patterns the universe contains as far as the universe is concerned. If handed a set of marks on paper with no other information, you have no way of knowing for sure how they came to be. You could guess, you could be super confident, but you couldn't be /certain/.

If a reader later comes along who happens to have studied the same pattern-codes as the creator of the marks, however, seeing them will make that reader recall the associations and build up meanings in their head. These may or may not be the same meanings the writer intended to convey.

Children learning to read understand this very well - reading is /hard/, associating meaning with code is /hard/, decoding similar meanings to everyone else is /hard/, aligning the associations spoken words trigger in your head with others around you takes /study/ and /effort/, even realising that you end up with different meaning in your head when presented with some symbol to what others get, though frequent, takes deliberate effort. Reading comprehension questions in elementary school tests are there for a reason.

To a well-practiced reader, the process is natural and seamless, and feels like telepathy; it /feels like/ meaning has been transferred directly from the writer to the reader. But it is not that, and many problems arise when people forget this.

Once you have learned to seamlessly decode symbols into meaning in your head and the process is fully automatic, symbols you encounter in the world will seamlessly trigger meanings in your head regardless of their origin.

This is the human condition: we are all locked inside our own heads, and you can't take a piece of yourself and place it inside another directly. The best we can do is shout into the void and hope something similar inside the person across from you resonates; but it turns out that human shouts are not the only thing that can make those strings vibrate.

When we encounter combinations of symbols in the world that trigger complex meaning inside us, we /expect/ them to have an author who intended to convey something like that meaning, because in the entire history of human experience to date, the only other way for such things to appear in the world has been incredibly unlikely coincidence, invariably accompanied by context that makes it clear it is coincidence. (A certain proportion of social media content is, in fact, people sharing instances of these coincidences!)

However, this is an assumption that we make, and the world is rapidly changing in ways that mean it may, going forward, no longer be a valid one.

More and more, we will encounter combinations of symbols in the world that trigger complex meanings in our heads but originate from no human intent beyond "I need a combination of symbols that will trigger these meanings in the heads of those who encounter them", if even that much is explicit. We are rapidly improving the processes that produce them, and one of the ways we are improving them is removing tells. You will see the symbols, they will decode into stories in your head, and you won't know for sure if a human author was involved or not.

It is vital, going forward, that we all remember that symbols triggering satisfying meaning in our head does not automatically imply deliberate human intent for that meaning in their origin, lest we be entirely unprepared for the brave new oncoming world, just the way a chunk of the populace was unprepared for nigerian prince emails in their heyday, or are still unprepared for telephone calls from "internet tech support" right now.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Obviously I had to try black metal version: https://suno.com/song/e00db515-6244-4197-ab71-c8f0555aaba4

Smooth jazz version: https://suno.com/song/a0d2dddf-f1fe-4c6c-acac-40862dcc8d10

Eurodance: https://suno.com/song/466a9bbe-9e93-47db-98dc-3eaa64c1a175

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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post #366
post #227

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I would consider that the whole act of making the a machine that can generate music and then making it generate a song of the MIT license could be considered 'art'. That doesn't make the end result 'art' in isolation art. Like the banana. The bananas isn't art, taping a random banana to a random wall and eating a banana isn't art. A particular person taping a banana to a particular wall for a particular reason is wha…

Why look at the end result in isolation? Isn't that just ignoring the human element then complaining there isn't one?

Why look at the end result in isolation?

I definitely agree that you shouldn't. To me absolutist arguments about if AI-generated content is art or not makes no sense. AI is a tool, like for example carpentry, that can be used for many purposes. Most carpentry isn't art, it's craftsmen building useful things and solving practical problems. But there are definitely artists out there using carpentry as the medium in which they express their artistic intent.

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