What would be the point of killing someone to silence them after they already spoke? The timing makes no sense.
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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#372I am incredibly skeptical of the hypothesis that this might be a murder. Asking a few key questions makes it clear how dubious it is: Most importantly, who's gun was it? If it was someone else's gun, sure, it's a murder, but I think we'll find that the gun was Barnett's. And if so, we have to ask, how did the murderer manage to kill Barnett with his own gun? How did the killer get into the truck? We can assume the ki…
I’m skeptical too and I’m glad that rank speculation is being deranked well below FP.
But someone else wondered if it’s almost worse than murder that even successful whistleblowing can lead to experiences so awful you want to kill yourself. Like “Boeing won’t kill you, they’ll make your life so terrible that you’ll do it for them”.
I don’t think thats a completely reasonable interpretation either — but if we as a society value valid whistleblowing, what can we provide whistleblowers to help them navigate these incredibly difficult times? (financially, emotionally, socially, and spiritually)
That said, if the cameras were off or not covering where the truck parked, I don’t think it would be very complicated for a highly paid individual to steal someone’s non daily-carry gun from their home or hotel room and walk up to their window when they get in their truck, shoot them at point blank, and wipe some gunpowder residue on their hand.
I just don’t think it’s responsible to posit this as the clear reality. We don’t know what happened, and HN has been terribly wrong about the details of various recent high profile deaths - Tony Hsieh and Bob Lee. This type of speculation always causes more pain for the families and is almost always wrong-headed.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#373I am incredibly skeptical of the hypothesis that this might be a murder. Asking a few key questions makes it clear how dubious it is: Most importantly, who's gun was it? If it was someone else's gun, sure, it's a murder, but I think we'll find that the gun was Barnett's. And if so, we have to ask, how did the murderer manage to kill Barnett with his own gun? How did the killer get into the truck? We can assume the ki…
Parking lots have cameras. If this was a suicide I’m confident they will find the footage. If it mysteriously disappears or the cameras at the Holiday Inn “malfunctioned” there will be little doubt as to what really happened. The fact that his friends and family are not intimidated makes it a lot more likely we will get the truth whatever it is.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#374Earlier quoted context omitted.
I knew this would come up, but couldn't think of specifics other than I've seen it go by on social media seemingly yearly. I vividly remember one two or three years ago, of an Asian man I think in NYC who kept videoing the police calling them corrupt, telling the world if he died it was the police. Well, he died. The police said it wasn't the police. Sadly, I can't find this Googling. I'd say it's happened enough to…
There are accusations on social media all the time and 99% are complete BS. Be more skeptical.
I'd like to think I'm not a complete moron here(hopefully), and realize 'I saw it on social media' is a rather poor source.
I'm referring to ones with real news articles and real videos. The only reason I mentioned it is because news sites rarely even report such info, and definitely don't show the videos.
I'm not much for conspiracies, so my initial question was genuine. Are most or all of these people mentally ill and trying to scapegoat their enemy before offing themselves? It feels weird that it happens enough I was able to reference 4 other recent cases with 15 minutes of effort.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#375Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Russia’s state killings are vast, millions? If you go far enough back in time, sure. Then again, if you go far enough back in time (not that long, truth be told), the US committed genocide against the Native Americans.
Is 30 minutes far enough? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-missile-attack-... Russian ballistic missiles just hit residential area in Odessa, killing at least 16 and injuring 70. It was a double-tap attack. The second missile hit the same place 15 minutes later to kill first responders that had arrived: one paramedic and one firefighter died on the scene.
That's 2 civilians as contrasted to 118 from a massacre that is part of a genocide fully endorsed (using its veto power at the UN) and supported (with weapons deliveries) by the United States:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-aid-convoy-deaths-al...
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#376Everybody understands that corporations use cartels to do their dirty work, right? Go work high level at an international commodities company and you’ll find that doing business with “the underworld” is required and that comes with connections to other capabilities I often see people say corporations arent as big of a problem compared to government because government has the ability to arrest and kill people. The ide…
Even Google assassinated some of its Xooglers. Totally normal.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#377Earlier quoted context omitted.
He only made it through the first day of his deposition, he still had another day to go. Anything he was going to say on day 2 is now in the wind. They might also be able to have the deposition thrown out if Boeing wasn't there or had requested a different date (though that would have obviously terrible optics). My guess is that he was killed, but I don't have a guess whether it was some kind of plot by a higher up a…
He was suing the company for defamation. He was not some witness in a proceeding against Boeing and the government or something. This isn’t a criminal proceeding. With his death, it essentially goes away regardless.
Yeah, which actually makes him more dangerous to the company. Because all he needs to subpoena and unearth shit in discovery is a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. Anything found in that civil trial would be admissible evidence to any criminal charges brought by the Feds.
Which, surprise! Has recently been announced to have been opened!
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#378Honestly, if I was going to off myself and I was in a semi-newsworthy situation I'd tell everyone I knew if I die it's not suicide... just to mess with everyone.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#379I am incredibly skeptical of the hypothesis that this might be a murder. Asking a few key questions makes it clear how dubious it is: Most importantly, who's gun was it? If it was someone else's gun, sure, it's a murder, but I think we'll find that the gun was Barnett's. And if so, we have to ask, how did the murderer manage to kill Barnett with his own gun? How did the killer get into the truck? We can assume the ki…
Parking lots have cameras. If this was a suicide I’m confident they will find the footage. If it mysteriously disappears or the cameras at the Holiday Inn “malfunctioned” there will be little doubt as to what really happened. The fact that his friends and family are not intimidated makes it a lot more likely we will get the truth whatever it is.
The Epstein deduction. If something is monitorer 24/7 but not the exact time a “suicide” happens, you can be confident a suicide did in fact not happen.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#380Earlier quoted context omitted.
A convenient death for Boeing/USA versus a century of documented political assassinations. Russia’s state killings are vast, millions? The two are not equal.
>Russia’s state killings are vast, millions? If you go far enough back in time, sure. Then again, if you go far enough back in time (not that long, truth be told), the US committed genocide against the Native Americans.
> If you go far enough back in time, sure
It’s within living memory.
However we have gone off track, as the other responses show.
If happening at all, political killings are not occurring in the US at anything like the rate that they occur in Russia.