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Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by hef19898 »

rmbyrro wrote: post #355
yifanl wrote: post #61

I'm just going to take this story at face value, there's an infinite number of alternate explanations that I'd be powerless to talk about. I've had my own (thankfully brief) moments where I've thought about suicide just from the perception that my coworkers, my bosses, the entire world, just does not care about doing the right thing. Mr Barnett worked for the same company for over three decades and physically watched…

> there's an infinite number of alternate explanations I see only one reasonably acceptable alternate explanation. He either committed suicide or was suicided by someone at Boeing terrified about what would happen to them in jail.

Somehow, most people fail to see the obvious: The ongoing FAA audits at both, Spirit Aerospace and Boeing (so far it looks horrible based on initial reporting) will identify each and every single verifiable whistleblower claim anyways.

So no, despite the general retaliation against whistleblowers out of princial (for the record, that alone is illegal and should be punished a lot harder and more often), Boeing as a company or individual employees have nothing to gain here.

Funny how a place full of rather smart, educated and curious people like HN collectively fail to see that one, very simple, fact.

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Post by wycy »

petre wrote: post #202
dathinab wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you are Boeing the company that would be stupid sure but what about some specific arbitrary high level figure from Boeing? One which if the person says certain things might lose their job because of this or which is afraid to lose more then their job (e.g. due to them knowingly acting in gross negligence for personal gains).

Which one is worse, lose your job or end up in prison?

This is the calculus for every crime, and yet somehow crimes happen.

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Post by itsdrewmiller »

mrtksn wrote: post #224
aragonite wrote: post #121

I wish there were an aggressively anti-clickbait news outlet that writes headlines explicitly designed to preempt and neutralize potential misunderstandings. Imagine editors try to anticipate all kinds of ways a candidate headline might mislead the reader, and rewrite the headline to discourage those inferences — succinctly if possible, verbosely if necessary. For this particular piece such a outlet might opt for som…

How about "Ex-Boeing Employee Who Reported Safety Issues in 2019 at South Carolina Facility Dies by Apparent Suicide in the middle of formal deposition which started last week"

"middle of formal deposition for his civil retaliation case"

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Post by mistermann »

mcv wrote: post #320
generic92034 wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would rather say democracy brings people into positions of power who are experts in pretending to do the right thing. But maybe I am to skeptical.

No, your skepticism is warranted. Democracy tries to select for people doing the right thing, but of course people interested in power will try to game the system by pretending to do the right thing.

> Democracy tries to select for people doing the right thing

If this was true, wouldn't democracy improve standard school curriculum so the general public at least has a chance at being able to choose quality leadership, see through the incessant lying/untruthfulness and misinformation of politicians and the media/journalists, have the ability to at least sometimes think of things from an absolute (what is maybe possible, were we to try) rather than relative perspective, etc, instead of being led around by their noses like oblivious if perhaps well meaning schoolchildren by these people?

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Post by ReflectedImage »

taf2 wrote: post #365
rmbyrro wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there's an infinite number of alternate explanations I see only one reasonably acceptable alternate explanation. He either committed suicide or was suicided by someone at Boeing terrified about what would happen to them in jail.

Or killed by a nation state that thrives on creating conflict by amplifying two sided situations that lead to increased polarization and more instability… the problem with speculation is it’s just that speculation… I’m going to wait and see

Wait and see for what exactly?

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Post by hef19898 »

mdekkers wrote: post #369
camgunz wrote: post #348

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I have some experience with this. My advice is that these episodes come in waves and thus a simple yet vital rule has literally kept me alive: don't do it; this will pass. That plus therapy and a brief stint on antidepressants swung me from suicidal ideation to optimism. I do think you have to watch your environment too. Just like alcoholics don't typically hang out in bars, we shouldn't hang out in places/jobs that…

Thank you. I am unable to find a therapist, and I was unable to manage with antidepressants. My mechanism right now is "see if you still feel this way a week from now" which - so far - helps. It isn't so much that I changed my mind, but more that I understand that there are people that depend on me being around. Job is indeed a major factor. I don't currently work in a great place - it is generally a rather toxic pla…

Not sure what to say, I always had family to catch me, intentionally or not, when I came even remotely close to what you are going through. All I can think of is this: nothing is worth sacrificing your life for. That, and most likely you are not alone, even if you din't know it. I am no religious person, so no prayers, but I sincerly hope you get through this!

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Post by dontlaugh »

jj999 wrote: post #27
Qem wrote: post #14

He should have done like Snowden. Got out of the country before exposing material. Shouldn't a witness in a high profile case like him been granted some sort of police escort by the court? Guy paid the ultimate price for freedom of speech and informing the public. Wonder if someone will sustain there is no threat to freedom of speech because the lawsuit involved the company where he was employed, not the government.…

Name a juridiction where he would have been both i)taken in and ii)secure.

China, Vietnam, Cuba, to name a few.

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Post by wycy »

autoexec wrote: post #82

I'm not saying that Boeing had him assassinated, but I sure wouldn't put it past them. They've already shown themselves to be perfectly willing to sacrifice human lives for increased profits.

There's a fairly short list of companies I could see doing something like this, and Boeing is on that list. I could see Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Exxon Mobil, JPMorgan Chase, McKinsey, ...

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Post by hef19898 »

meindnoch wrote: post #301
hef19898 wrote: post #219

The amount of conspiracie flying around in this thread are shocking. Someone committed, as it seems, suicide after years, if not decades, of emotional work related stress. They came forward, publicly, with their concerns. So publicly, that everyone knows who they are, from co-workers over friends and family to the media. That alone adds another ton of stress and pressure. And on top of all of that, they went through…

I bet you believe Epstein killed himself too.

Unless we have credible claims, or investigations, showing otherwise, I am in deed inclined to.
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