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Post by UncleMeat »

gruez wrote: post #324
mattzito wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Misrepresenting reality” is an interesting phrase, considering the nature of what we are discussing - artificially generated imagery. It’s really hard to get these things right: if you don’t attempt to influence the model at all, the nature of the imagery that these systems are being trained on skews towards stereotype, because a lot of our imagery is biased and stereotypical. It seems perfectly reasonable to say th…

>It seems perfectly reasonable to say that generated imagery should attempt to not lean into stereotypes and show a diverse set of people. It might be "perfectly reasonable" to have that as an option, but not as a default. If I want an image of anything other than a human, you'd expect the sterotypes to be fulfilled. If I want a picture of a cellphone, I want an ambiguous black rectangle, even though wacky phones exi…

And a stereotype of a phone doesn't have nearly the same historical context or ongoing harmful effects on the world as a racial stereotype.

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Post by a_gnostic »

mrtksn wrote: post #87

Honestly, I'm baffled by the American keywordism and obsession with images. They seem to think that if they don't say certain words and show people from minorities in the marketing material the racism and discrimination will be solved and atrocities from the past will be forgiven. It only become unmanageable and builds up resentment. Anyway, maybe its a phase. Sometimes I wonder if the openly racist European&Asians w…

> discrimination will be solved and atrocities from the past will be forgiven

The majority of people that committed these atrocities are dead. Will you stoop to their same level and collectively discriminate against whole swaths of populations based on the actions of some dead people? Guilt by association? An eye for an eye? Great way to perpetuate the madness. How about you focus on individuals, as only they can act and be held accountable? Find the extortion inherent to the system, and remove it so individuals can succeed.

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Post by jannyfer »

indy wrote: post #233
Semaphor wrote: post #104

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Not a great link for an international audience. Here in Germany, the top image is a white person: https://i.imgur.com/wqfdJ95.png

That's an Asian person

That’s a Scandinavian person

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Post by KTibow »

rohtashotas wrote: post #264
Jensson wrote: post #139

> Of course the politically sensitive people are waging war over it. Just like politically sensitive people waged war over Google identifying an obscured person as a Gorilla. Its just a silly mistake, how could anyone get upset over that?

It's not a silly mistake. It was rlhf'd to do this intentionally. When the results are more extremist than the unfiltered model, it's no longer a 'small mistake'

Realistically it was probably just how Gemini was prompted to use the image generator tool

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Post by BonoboIO »

jack_riminton wrote: post #317
sharpneli wrote: post #306

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It was extra hilarious when asked to generate a picture of ancient Greek philosopher it made it a Native American. Because it is well known Greeks not only had contact with the new world but also had prominent population of Native Americans. It really wants to mash the whole world to a very specific US centric view of the world, and calls you bad for trying to avoid it.

Reminds me of when black people in the UK get called African American by Americans. No they're neither African nor American It's an incredibly self-centered view of the world

Elon Musk is a real African American

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Post by mountainb »

It's odd that long after 70s-2000s post-modernism has been supplanted by hyper-racist activism in academia, Google finally produced a true technological engine for postmodern expression through the lens of this contemporary ideology.

Imagine for a moment a Gemini that just altered the weights on a daily or hourly basis, so one hour you had it producing material from an exhumed Jim Crow ideology, the next hour you'd have the Juche machine, then the 1930s-era Soviet machine, then 1930s New Deal propaganda, followed by something derived from Mayan tablets trying to meme children into ripping one another's hearts out for a bloody reptile god.

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Post by mckern »

AirborneUnicorn wrote: post #148
db48x wrote: post #125

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Do you have sources for these events? I’d like to read them. Thanks!

For the race-essentialist practices described by the original poster, Yascha Mounk's "The Identity Trap," published in 2023, and interviews with Coleman Hughes regarding his college experience at Columbia are insightful resources.

To delve into the philosophical roots that lead to the type of absurd reasoning mentioned by the original poster, "Cynical Theories" by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay, released in 2020, is recommended. Despite Lindsay's more recent radical stance, the book provides a critical exploration of these theories. It is also heavy on citations.

For the kind of misconduct in higher education described by the original poster, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) or the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) serve as reliable references. There's no lack of explicit anti-semitism on campus.

The discussion around "woke" culture is often muddled by attempts to obscure its existence, framing it as merely an extreme right-wing concern. For those who genuinely want a quick way to challenge their priors regarding "woke" being some kind of "right-wing" thing, you should give this short piece[0] a read. Does it comport with your notion of "right-wing"? If not, you should start questioning those who use "right-wing" as a boogeymen to convince you that there isn't a radical ideology who've created newspeak for their brand of racism, sexism, whatever-ism.

[0] https://helenpluckrose.substack.com/p/defining-woke-and-woke...

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Post by mc32 »

jack_riminton wrote: post #317
sharpneli wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was extra hilarious when asked to generate a picture of ancient Greek philosopher it made it a Native American. Because it is well known Greeks not only had contact with the new world but also had prominent population of Native Americans. It really wants to mash the whole world to a very specific US centric view of the world, and calls you bad for trying to avoid it.

Reminds me of when black people in the UK get called African American by Americans. No they're neither African nor American It's an incredibly self-centered view of the world

That’s kind of funny. Chinese and Taiwanese transplants call natural born Americans, whether black, white or latin, “foreigners” when speaking in Chinese dialects even while they live in America.

Oh, your husband/wife/boyfriend/girlfriend is a “foreigner”, ma?

No, damnit, you’re the foreigner!

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Post by henry_viii »

sva_ wrote: post #150

German couple in 1820 https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1avmpfo/ah_the_cla... 1943 German soldier https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1awtzf0/average_ge... Pretty funny, but what do you expect.

Scottish people in 1820 https://twitter.com/BasedTorba/status/1759949016320643566

British / American / German / Swedish women https://twitter.com/iamyesyouareno/status/175989313218585855...

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