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Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by apapapa »

ra7 wrote: post #334
tarvaina wrote: post #299

Did I get this right? Bard – old name of their generative AI service, to be called Gemini Duet AI – old name for their generative AI in Google Workspace, to be called Gemini Gemini – three things: 1. the name of their models (like GPT). 2. the new name of their free service (like ChatGPT), gives access to Pro 1.0 but not Ultra 1.0. 3. the new name of the Generative AI tools in Google Workspace. Gemini Advanced – the…

It’s sad that a company of very smart people can’t figure out coherent naming. Can you imagine Apple causing confusion like this? I know it’s not a like-for-like comparison, but everything Apple does it seems like they have a grand strategy that’s clear for everyone to see. Things build up in a modular way to fit a big puzzle. Google, on the other hand, constantly makes up things on an ad hoc basis.

MS does the same thing... Look at Xbox naming history

https://recordhead.biz/history-of-microsoft-xbox-consoles/

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by daxfohl »

zooq_ai wrote: post #327
ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

Also as time goes by, it'll get smoothly integrated into docs/gmail/maps/calendar/youtube/search/colab/sheets/android/assistant So Gemini could by your one-stop AI shop for everything. Only Microsoft can match it (but Microsoft doesn't have a popular maps, youtube, mail, smartphone OS service). Apple is another strong player (but they don't have productivity tools like docs, sheets or youtube). It really is Google's…

Sounds like this whole thing is an insane 30-year effort by some engineer who couldn't get over the discontinuation of Clippy.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by LightMachine »

ajross wrote: post #264
LightMachine wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we want to test these beasts in logic, we should probably start using actual formalized logic, rather than English. In just one test, Gemini flopped hard, while GPT-4-Turbo nailed it. Here is my prompt: Below is a well-typed CoC function: foo : ∀(P: Nat -> *) ∀(s: ∀{n} -> ∀(x: (P n)) -> (P (n + 1))) ∀(z: (P 0)) (P 3) = λP λs λz (s (s (s z))) Below is an incomplete CoC function: foo : ∀(P: Nat -> *) ∀(f: ∀{n} -> ∀(…

> I think we have a winner... It makes me sad that the complete and total lack of an objective way to measure these products means that the coming decades will be filled with this kind of hyper-specific gotcha test made in inappropriately confident internet posts. Literally this could have been down to one extra book in someone's training corpus, or a tokenizer that failed to understand λ as a non-letter. But no matt…

You're completely wrong. Gemini can perfectly understand what is being asked, so this isn't a syntax issue. Notice that, on the answer, it even states the solution: "starting from 1, and combining `* 2`, `* 3` and `+ 5`, we must reach 17`". So it does fine with reading the formal syntax, yet it fails to combine these operations to get from "1" to "17", which is something most 10 yo kids would have no trouble doing. And that's after millions spent in training. Now tell me again this is the architecture that will figure out the cure of cancer?

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by [deleted] »

ra7 wrote: post #358
kevinventullo wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not quite the same, but I will point out that “Apple TV” and “Apple TV+” are not just two distinct products, but are in fact entirely different categories of product. One is a piece of hardware akin to a Roku. The other is a streaming service akin to Netflix.

I use both and I haven’t found it too confusing, to be honest. I just think of it as Apple TV (streaming device) gives access to Apple TV+ (streaming service).

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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by surajrmal »

hackerlight wrote: post #294
freediver wrote: post #277

This is an impressive product, well done Google. There is a PM in there somewhere who knows what they are doing, kudos to you. Prediction: they get to 6-7 digit number of paying customers, decide it is peanuts for them (~$20M/mo) and instead decide to push the free version with ads with full force as the future of search.

Social sentiment seems pretty negative, most people saying it's worse than GPT-4

Most people have also never used gpt4 as it's paywalled. Now the free and premium offerings are roughly in sync between Google and OpenAI. I assume the rebranding is trying to wash away the initial sentiment.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

tarvaina wrote: post #299

Did I get this right? Bard – old name of their generative AI service, to be called Gemini Duet AI – old name for their generative AI in Google Workspace, to be called Gemini Gemini – three things: 1. the name of their models (like GPT). 2. the new name of their free service (like ChatGPT), gives access to Pro 1.0 but not Ultra 1.0. 3. the new name of the Generative AI tools in Google Workspace. Gemini Advanced – the…

There's so many damned "One"s. I eagerly attend a "Google Two" or "Amazon Two"

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Post by doubleocherry »

This blog post was a missed opportunity for Gemini: Ideally, the blog post should have been by-lined as "written by Gemini" (with no human intervention besides prompting). Even better - the attached video shows the blog post being generated.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by hbn »

kevinventullo wrote: post #350
ra7 wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s sad that a company of very smart people can’t figure out coherent naming. Can you imagine Apple causing confusion like this? I know it’s not a like-for-like comparison, but everything Apple does it seems like they have a grand strategy that’s clear for everyone to see. Things build up in a modular way to fit a big puzzle. Google, on the other hand, constantly makes up things on an ad hoc basis.

Maybe not quite the same, but I will point out that “Apple TV” and “Apple TV+” are not just two distinct products, but are in fact entirely different categories of product. One is a piece of hardware akin to a Roku. The other is a streaming service akin to Netflix.

Actually it's more that Apple TV is both a piece of hardware and an iTunes-like service, while Apple TV+ is a subscription service akin to Netflix.

The Apple TV hardware and the Apple TV app on your iDevice can both be used without paying a subscription. The hardware has all other streaming apps a la Roku, and both it and the app on your iPhone can be used to purchase and watch TV shows and movies.

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Post by LightMachine »

qsort wrote: post #360
LightMachine wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we want to test these beasts in logic, we should probably start using actual formalized logic, rather than English. In just one test, Gemini flopped hard, while GPT-4-Turbo nailed it. Here is my prompt: Below is a well-typed CoC function: foo : ∀(P: Nat -> *) ∀(s: ∀{n} -> ∀(x: (P n)) -> (P (n + 1))) ∀(z: (P 0)) (P 3) = λP λs λz (s (s (s z))) Below is an incomplete CoC function: foo : ∀(P: Nat -> *) ∀(f: ∀{n} -> ∀(…

Is that supposed to be a P((n+3)) in the type of "f" for the second case or am I misunderstanding this hard?

No, it is `n * 3`. The challenge is simple: starting from "1", we must reach "17" by combining the operations `x * 3`, `x * 2` and `x + 5`. What is embarrassing is that Gemini manages to read the formal jargon and understand the challenge just fine. Yet it fails to combine these operations to get from "1" to "17", which is something most 10 yo kids would be able to do.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by surajrmal »

dustedcodes wrote: post #297
huytersd wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gemini advanced is not free. You’re trying the free version. Hit the dropdown in the top left and hit upgrade to advanced.

Yeah and they announced this to be part of the free version. No mention of Gemini Advanced inside the launch blog post: https://blog.google/products/gemini/google-bard-gemini-pro-i... So yeah... I'm certainly not paying for Gemini Advanced if Gemini alone is already showing me that it's in fact not capable of what Google advertises to me. I don't want to pay money for a product which has bugs or incomplete feature ro…

Image generation is available in the free tier although it seems to be region locked. I take it you're not in the US
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