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If all Nitter instances get shut down, that's another reason for people to stop putting information into the Twitter/X walled-garden. Nitter has had the effect of a pressure release valve, for the people who object most to Twitter/X. Without the Nitter compromise, more people will stop linking to Twitter/X threads, indulging people who still post there, etc.
Redirecting proxy for Nitter instances (alternative)
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I really meant to say "owner of the Nitter project", but you are nonetheless correct about ownership of Nitter instances. I have edited my post.
It's also factually incorrect to suppose that this person owns the Nitter project, too. There's no CLA so the copyright is held in common by all of the contributors. Free software projects don't have owners, they have maintainers, and the maintainers are a social construction rather than a matter of property law.
Property law itself is a social construction of exactly the same kind.
A single person or group owning a FLOSS project is also a typical, almost universal case. There's always the person or team, and the canonical repository, that represents what "Emacs" is, or what "sr.ht" is, etc. In practice, for everything except legal issues, this is the same as legal ownership.
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I do not deny your experience and I saw many useful community notes before. It took me seeing this case to understand that it is actually a bad idea, for the reasons I mentioned (illusion of absolute truth while being open to manipulation & showing no history of controversy). Also, it is not technically decentralized, it is Twitter (a centralized platform)… If it were truly fully decentralized, it would be vulnerable…
> it is not technically decentralized, it is Twitter (a centralized platform) Community notes are generated by users and not the platform it's not perfect but better than having a mainstream media oligopoly deciding what is truth and what isn't. > If it were truly fully decentralized, it would be vulnerable to such attacks even more, right? The algorithm tries to prevent this kind of abuse. "the Community Notes ratin…
Generally, the platform determines the algorithm of which note wins, so that’s centralized. The algorithm depends on what kind and how many users vote and how. Those users exist on the platform which requires registration and can deny any given user. Centralized.
Further, no guarantee that the actual algorithm in production matches the one made public, but I guess they have no reason to lie here.
> from what you’re telling
It’s not just me telling, the tweet has been up so far and community note does its best to awkwardly convey the controversy that would’ve been otherwise completely lost due to the ill designed way community notes work.
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> it is not technically decentralized, it is Twitter (a centralized platform) Community notes are generated by users and not the platform it's not perfect but better than having a mainstream media oligopoly deciding what is truth and what isn't. > If it were truly fully decentralized, it would be vulnerable to such attacks even more, right? The algorithm tries to prevent this kind of abuse. "the Community Notes ratin…
Good point that the algorithm tries to compensate for the perspectives, but I’m sure it still comes down to a popularity contest. Generally, the platform determines the algorithm of which note wins, so that’s centralized. The algorithm depends on what kind and how many users vote and how. Those users exist on the platform which requires registration and can deny any given user. Centralized. Further, no guarantee that…
It isn't clear if polarization score have only one dimension where it would be great to capture US culture wars but fail to capture nuances outside of that or if it's more complex than that.
> Generally, the platform determines the algorithm of which note wins, so that’s centralized. The algorithm depends on what kind and how many users vote and how. Those users exist on the platform which requires registration and can deny any given user. Centralized.
Yes, not perfect but still better than the traditional media oligopoly.
> Further, no guarantee that the actual algorithm in production matches the one made public, but I guess they have no reason to lie here.
The algorithm and the data are open. It is reproducible.
https://github.com/twitter/communitynotes
https://twitter.com/i/communitynotes/download-data
> It’s not just me telling, the tweet has been up so far and community note does its best to awkwardly convey the controversy that would’ve been otherwise completely lost due to the ill designed way community notes work.
I checked the tweet (https://twitter.com/MOSSADil/status/1745921315498811752) and at least now the community notes show a different content:
> Original video, which provides a better look at the plate (鄂F1573警),indicates that the video was shot in Hubei, China.
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> https://x.com/ken2009_/status/1227476618014330880?s=46
Many here are biased against Elon and Twitter for political reasons so they are too quick to pass judgement.
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Good point that the algorithm tries to compensate for the perspectives, but I’m sure it still comes down to a popularity contest. Generally, the platform determines the algorithm of which note wins, so that’s centralized. The algorithm depends on what kind and how many users vote and how. Those users exist on the platform which requires registration and can deny any given user. Centralized. Further, no guarantee that…
> Good point that the algorithm tries to compensate for the perspectives, but I’m sure it still comes down to a popularity contest. It isn't clear if polarization score have only one dimension where it would be great to capture US culture wars but fail to capture nuances outside of that or if it's more complex than that. > Generally, the platform determines the algorithm of which note wins, so that’s centralized. The…
This means there was yet another update since I looked. The previous note at least made the user suspect that there was an attempt to point fingers at some other country. Now it merely corrects the location in China. It is good to link to a higher quality video, but I don’t rule out that the note will with time drift to suit the agenda of the government.
> Many here are biased against Elon and Twitter for political reasons so they are too quick to pass judgement
He killed the feature that labeled accounts associated with governments though.
I think community notes are not his invention so I don’t blame him for them, but they are very poorly implemented and are strictly worse than tweets themselves.
If they applied the same algo to weighing tweets and replies, they could’ve gotten the same results but without making people trust blindly. But of course this defeats the point of paying for Elon’s blue checkmarks.
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Google provides different results for different users, skimming over my result list, I found nothing. Something concrete please?
George Hotz gives a good example [1]: > Cloth masks are ineffective against covid, that's a true statement, every doctor in 2019 knew it, and now I'm banned on twitter for saying it? Interesting. Keep in mind for every famous ban, there might be a few orders of magnitude more bans of small accounts we don't hear about given Twitter "use(d) Artificial Intelligence to identify posts" "that are misleading enough to caus…
"Among Greene’s final tweets was one Saturday that falsely referenced “extremely high amounts of covid vaccine deaths,”"
Also cloth masks did help with reducing transmission (think a sneeze).
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> Good point that the algorithm tries to compensate for the perspectives, but I’m sure it still comes down to a popularity contest. It isn't clear if polarization score have only one dimension where it would be great to capture US culture wars but fail to capture nuances outside of that or if it's more complex than that. > Generally, the platform determines the algorithm of which note wins, so that’s centralized. The…
> Original video, which provides a better look at the plate (鄂F1573警),indicates that the video was shot in Hubei, China This means there was yet another update since I looked. The previous note at least made the user suspect that there was an attempt to point fingers at some other country. Now it merely corrects the location in China. It is good to link to a higher quality video, but I don’t rule out that the note wi…
I didn't calculate any statistics but exploring the data I saw are way more "anti-China" notes than "pro-China" notes.
> He killed the feature that labeled accounts associated with governments though.
Yeah because Western government funded medias cried rivers when they were correctly labeled as such.
> If they applied the same algo to weighing tweets and replies, they could’ve gotten the same results but without making people trust blindly. But of course this defeats the point of paying for Elon’s blue checkmarks.
Doing so wouldn't make sense as the algorithm needs prior data from tweets to calculate ratings. What are your expectations? That Twitter hide (soft ban) tweets/accounts that an algorithm labels as misinformation because it was massively flagged? That happened before, it was easily abused, it was censorship.
> I think community notes are not his invention so I don’t blame him for them, but they are very poorly implemented and are strictly worse than tweets themselves.
You could give only one example where community notes were abused to spread misinformation and with time the correct note prevailed.
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> Original video, which provides a better look at the plate (鄂F1573警),indicates that the video was shot in Hubei, China This means there was yet another update since I looked. The previous note at least made the user suspect that there was an attempt to point fingers at some other country. Now it merely corrects the location in China. It is good to link to a higher quality video, but I don’t rule out that the note wi…
> This means there was yet another update since I looked. The previous note at least made the user suspect that there was an attempt to point fingers at some other country. Now it merely corrects the location in China. It is good to link to a higher quality video, but I don’t rule out that the note will with time drift to suit the agenda of the government. I didn't calculate any statistics but exploring the data I sa…
Maybe that is the problem, it is seen as pro/anti X instead of facts/lies.
> You could give only one example where community notes were abused to spread misinformation and
If you ask this, you miss the point. How exactly do you expect me to tell a true note from a false one? The medium is the problem here.
> with time the correct note prevailed.
As long as it prevails before the heat death of the universe that’s OK, right?
> Doing so wouldn't make sense as the algorithm needs prior data from tweets to calculate ratings.
Twitter has prior data from tweets. I don’t get it.
The algorithm they use to present one community note can be used to capture feedback and sort tweets instead. Problem solved. People have better access to balanced views but are not being nannied by the platform or elonsplained what is truth.
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> This means there was yet another update since I looked. The previous note at least made the user suspect that there was an attempt to point fingers at some other country. Now it merely corrects the location in China. It is good to link to a higher quality video, but I don’t rule out that the note will with time drift to suit the agenda of the government. I didn't calculate any statistics but exploring the data I sa…
> exploring the data I saw are way more "anti-China" notes than "pro-China" notes. Maybe that is the problem, it is seen as pro/anti X instead of facts/lies. > You could give only one example where community notes were abused to spread misinformation and If you ask this, you miss the point. How exactly do you expect me to tell a true note from a false one? The medium is the problem here. > with time the correct note…
What I meant is that there are more notes correcting pro-China lies than anti-China lies. So the removal of community notes would benefit pro-China propagandists.
> If you ask this, you miss the point. How exactly do you expect me to tell a true note from a false one? The medium is the problem here.
Use your head. Do your research. Trust your guts. I think you're expecting impossible things from technology.
> As long as it prevails before the heat death of the universe that’s OK, right?
No, it's not right. It should be quick but I have no way to tell how long it took for the better note to prevail. AFAIK it is quick enough.
> The algorithm they use to present one community note can be used to capture feedback and sort tweets instead. Problem solved. People have better access to balanced views but are not being nannied by the platform or elonsplained what is truth.
Nobody wants that. With community notes you can choose to ignore the context but you see the tweet. With your proposal people would just no see some tweets, they would lose agency.
If all Nitter instances get shut down, that's another reason for people to stop putting information into the Twitter/X walled-garden. Nitter has had the effect of a pressure release valve, for the people who object most to Twitter/X. Without the Nitter compromise, more people will stop linking to Twitter/X threads, indulging people who still post there, etc.
I think leftists who are losing their minds over Elon Musk's Twitter are a loud minority. If Nitter goes down, nothing at all will change. Twitter will continue to thrive and people will continue to use it and link to it.