This is ridiculous. More people should be following Brittany's approach and record these things. These HR shit shows are only going to end when people make them public and hurt the image of these companies. You did great Brittany.
Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]
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Except this reason was most likely a fabrication due to the fact that they never communicated performance issues in the past. Cloudflare lied. It’s plain and simple.
Or maybe they did and she didn't tell in the TikToks? Don't believe everything you see on the internet. Be smarter than that, form opinions based on as many facts as possible, not only partial, biased, information.
I have more reason to believe this person than I do cloudflare.
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> Presumably these Cloudflare HR employees do have the data for why this person was laid off, and they might even have it in front of them, but yeah legally they can't give them any more specifics. HR only talked for 21 seconds before she said "I'm going to stop you right there" and started talking over them. She goes on to admit she closed zero sales, even past her ramp-up period. It's unfortunate, but if they sorte…
> It's unfortunate, but if they sorted people by sales performance she's at the bottom of the list (by definition) If they were sorting people by sales performance, her manager shouldn't have given her a thumbs up in each one-on-one.
Do you need your manager to tell you that closing zero sales in half a year is probably not great performance for a sales rep? I'm generally on her side here but this is a weak argument.
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The video is on TikTok. It is useful to know this is done by Gen Z. While hiring it is important to remember that quitting/fired employees will do something similar. Gen Zs also act like the world owes them an apology for every small issue they encounter and act irrationally. Maybe a Gen Z reading these comments will think twice before posting something that can damage their future job hunting irreparably.
If you were to replace "Gen Z" with "women" in your comment, would you still think it's okay to submit it? Ageism is just as bad as sexism.
I am glad you read my comment.
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Nah, she did well by frustrating the process. Next time they’ll think twice before gaslighting and humiliating an employee. Telling her she was getting fired due to her own performance is just that. In my books she did well, hope she starts a gig on her own to never have to deal with NPCs such as those two. They feed on people’s misery.
> In my books she did well Hire her as your saleswoman then. And mind everything you do/say or you'll end up bashed in front of all the internet.
I don't know. Maybe treat others as you yourself would like to be treated?
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Who , exactly, do you think is going to "think twice" next time? It's a bummer, but this is how this has been done for decades (generations?) and everybody knows it's how it's done, and that has in no way made companies "think twice" about business leaders assigning fairly low level employees or consultants to do these meetings just like this. There was a whole gag about exactly this in one of the last few episodes o…
> It's a bummer, but this is how this has been done for decades (generations?) and everybody knows it's how it's done, and that has in no way made companies "think twice" about business leaders assigning fairly low level employees or consultants to do these meetings just like this. No, avoiding the words "we're laying you off" by lying about your performance and telling you that you're instead being fired is not "how…
You don't think employers have pretty much always tried to avoid being required to pay severance and unemployment?
If so, that seems to me like an unrealistically rosy view of the past.
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Meaning they said "i'll work another 3 months, but I found a new job" and their current employment said "nah, today's your last day". I've seen it happen first hand.
Yep. I made that rookie mistake early in my career.
I gave something like 6 weeks notice at my last job and by mutual agreement spent most of that time doing presentations and updating docs to sunset my bus factor. The mistake isn't on the part of the worker who has the courtesy to minimise the disruption of their departure, it's the employer who poisons that well.
Of course, power dynamics being what they are, it's the worker who pays the price.
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> It's unfortunate, but if they sorted people by sales performance she's at the bottom of the list (by definition) If they were sorting people by sales performance, her manager shouldn't have given her a thumbs up in each one-on-one.
Do you need your manager to tell you that closing zero sales in half a year is probably not great performance for a sales rep? I'm generally on her side here but this is a weak argument.
> Do you need your manager to tell you that closing zero sales in half a year is probably not great performance for a sales rep?
Yes, because every company has their own management strategy. Therefore, what is expected of sales reps, and employees in general, is different. If her manager can't communicate the company's management strategy and expectations, how could she align her work?
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The person in this TikTok admits to having closed zero sales. They're also one of the most junior people on the team (4.5 months). They would be among the first to go under union rules, too. Unions are often worse at prioritizing things like tenure over performance, if anything. But even under those rules she was one of the most junior people. There is basically no situation where a union would have prioritized this…
Stop sticking up for this garbage please. Have some empathy? • Third quarter revenue totaled $335.6 million, representing an increase of 32% year-over-year Do we need to feel sorry for cloudflare or something? She says on the call, or her feedback has been positive, so why should she expect a negative outcome like this? As a junior, she should be given the appropriate and valid feedback so she can learn and improve f…
Don't look at revenue, look at profits: https://www.google.com/finance/quote/NET:NYSE?sa=X&ved=2ahUK...
2022: Lost 193 million 2021: Lost 260 million 2020: Lost 119 million
2023 also had big losses upwards of 150 million
It's very clear they need to cut expenses
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It actually would be illegal in most of the EU (at the very least in The Netherlands) AFAIK. This is some "only in the US" level stuff (in the context of "The West").
Don't know about Netherlands but in most EU probation period is fixed 6 months. This situation would be perfectly legal in most EU companies.
In Hungary it's 3 months