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Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Is there a reason why body damage on an EV would cost more to repair?

Yes, because the Model 3 incorporates quite a bit of aluminum in the body. This is good for weight savings, but more difficult to work with. The root cause is that batteries are too heavy so other components must be made lighter.

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Agreed. Got a Polestar for a surprisingly cheap price on Hertz recently and I was really impressed with it. If I were in the market I think I’d take it over a Tesla.

Ooof. I own a Model 3 and was really looking forward to my Polestar 2 rental in NZ over the holidays. It felt like a massive downgrade in pretty much every way to me. The biggest thing was the responsiveness, it was on par with a standard ICE vehicle in terms of how sluggish it was. I was incredibly disappointed given that I would love to look elsewhere (from Tesla) for my next vehicle.

Give BMW i4 a drive. It's excellent.

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I have rented several electric vehicles and while charging is more difficult than getting gas it isn’t really an issue. The most challenging experience was an electric camper. It had a 100 mile max range. I drove it from LA to Seattle without major issue. The only pucker factor was around Silicon Valley where I struggled to find functional fast chargers. No shortage of chargers, just very few that work. The state of…

> It had a 100 mile max range. I drove it from LA to Seattle without major issue. uhhhhhhhh, you stopped to charge every ~2 hours (12 charging stops minimum)?

Yes. It’s a camper van. I took five days to do the trip, mostly on 101.

It was an older conversion, not intended for long range travel. This is a once a year thing to relocate from Joshua Tree to the Olympic Peninsula.

I made a snack or took a quick nap in the back when charging. Travel days were 1-2 charge stops.

One problem with such a small battery is how quickly it charged. I was often done charging before I could make food, eat, and do dishes.

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I rented a Tesla from Hertz once in Houston and the whole experience was terrible. Got to the counter and the agent first suggested that I take a gas car for $25/day. I was confused because that was so cheap, although the Tesla was already heavily discounted. Apparently, this was $25/day above what I had paid for the model 3 and it was for a compact economy car. I stuck with the Tesla. The agent warned me that repair…

Strongly recommend Turo. I tried it recently after a similarly terrible experience with Hertz. Never going to turn back to traditional car rental companies -- it's so much easier, saves you significant time, and is (sometimes) cheaper.

Thanks, I will give them a shot. My experience post pandemic with car rental companies, and Hertz in particular has been abysmal. Any sort of rental status with car rental companies ranks below VIP status with a rundown motel in the middle of nowhere. Credit card companies have been the only saving grace, as customer service for car rental companies is non existent.

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I've been seeing a lot of headlines the last month about demand for EVs falling. Of course, it could just be a PR campaign by Big Fossil, I'm not in a position to judge that. I had another idea about it and I'm wondering what other people think: by buying Twitter/X, Musk has waded deeply into the culture war, and we see on HN plenty of people who just can't stand to see his name. It seems a sizable community, could t…

There are a lot of reasons, many of them bureaucratic. If you own your own home in an urban locale with a garage and drive more than 12k miles a year an EV is probably perfect for you. If you live in a condo good luck dealing with the condo board to install a charger. If you park on the street tough luck charging. If you don't drive enough gas is cheaper. If you drive too much you will spend too much time charging. T…

> Modern car parts are full of computers and the aftermarket will never support them because they can't ship copyrighted code.

Once a car gets older, there's usually no shortage of the electrical components on the secondary market as they're getting scrapped. And they're easy to ship. Or someone figures out "Capacitor 96 goes bad on Part 420" and solders a new one in.

We'll run into problems once they "marry" all the electric parts together and you can't swap in a headlight from another vehicle because the VIN doesn't match the computer's. Fuck you Apple.

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I rented a Tesla from Hertz once in Houston and the whole experience was terrible. Got to the counter and the agent first suggested that I take a gas car for $25/day. I was confused because that was so cheap, although the Tesla was already heavily discounted. Apparently, this was $25/day above what I had paid for the model 3 and it was for a compact economy car. I stuck with the Tesla. The agent warned me that repair…

I went out of my way to charge the vehicle before returning, returned it with 98% it but was still charged extra. Complaints to their call centre got me nowhere and I just resolved not use Hertz ever again. The only winner here is Polestar. That will be the next car I'll buy.

It's very odd that you start with a policy complaint against Hertz that is factually false^1 (maybe the agent didn't know?) then the conclusion is to buy a Polestar.

1. We ask you to return the EV with at least the same level of charge or 75% (whichever is lower). via https://images.hertz.com/pdfs/ENGB_EV_RENTAL_TERMS.pdf

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The title says "EVs" but really it's "Teslas" they're not selling their Polestars.

I thought Bloomberg was better than cheap sensationalism.

They still haven't retracted the Supermicro story based on a fictional hypothetical scenario twisted into a lie.

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Where does this myth come from? Looks it's about 10% battery degradation after 200K miles. Tesla is rating their batteries for 300K to 500K miles. Most American company ICE cars are scrapped by then. Not to mention all the ICE related maintenance costs over that time like oil changes, transmission fluid, timing belts, hoses, etc. etc. You can look at 6 to 10 year Model S cars.

> Where does this myth come from? Politics.

The problem is the degradation is fastest when it's brand new.

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This is due to high body damage repair costs and has nothing to do with repairing an electric powertrain: >Let me share a bit more context on the damage equation. First, while conventional maintenance on electric vehicles remained lower relative to comparable ICE vehicles in Q3, higher collision and damage repairs on EVs continue to weigh on our results and negatively impacted EBITDA. For context, collision and damag…

where a car is salvaged, we must crystallize at once any difference between our carrying value and the market value of that car Hang on though, this part has nothing to do with repair costs. This just sounds like an accounting issue, right? If anything I would expect this to benefit Hertz since they could write off the higher loss in their taxes immediately, instead of waiting until future years to write the value of…

When a car is salvaged (i.e., declared a total loss), that means that the insurance company has taken possession of the vehicle, offering the insured the market value of the car for their loss (where market value is the value of the car in its salvaged state). The car that was worth $X on their books is now $Y in cash, and $Y is usually significantly less than $X, because salvaged cars are usually worth way less than a normal used car (though sometimes the car is worth more as spare parts, for uncommon vehicles or for models no longer in production).
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