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Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by burning_hamster »

hutzlibu wrote: post #290
bheadmaster wrote: post #211

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> It was a safe place for immature folks to shout whatever they wanted and not care who it affected It is sad that the popularity of internet has reached such proportions that people are no longer responsible for what they read by their own choice , but rather people seem to be responsible for what they write , regardless of the fact that anyone can choose not to read it. Internet posts are just text, yet people act…

"Internet posts are just text, yet people act as if we're forcing others to read what we write. Imagine if writing books that make other people feel bad was banned - what a culture would that be." Between death threats and insults directed at real people - and a fictionary book, there is usually a difference, even though books can be bad as well, if they are directed against certain people (e.g. Mein Kampf).

Arguably, there have been a good number of wars (ostensibly) over books (in particular religious texts seem to do the trick), whereas we are yet to declare war over any form of web content.

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Post by zelphirkalt »

sdsd wrote: post #181

i recently created a website: 13channel.crabdance.com we only have a handful of users, feel free to join us. I think it's hard for people to stick around since there are no alerts, subscriptions, notifications, etc. You have to come back to the website and check.

But what is its mission?

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by aeonik »

blueridge wrote: post #301
rvrs wrote: post #291

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This comment is so mean-spirited... reading it made me sad. I'm allowed to own so little in this world, so how I present myself online is particularly dear to me. If you don't like my website, you can go find others. What does it matter to you?

I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just sharing an honest opinion and criticizing a widespread behavior that I've noticed. I've stopped following people because the "housekeeping" posts just kept coming. There's so much focus on digital structures, on the means by which they express themselves or engage their audience, on the colophon, that they forget to make a point or write about anything else. I'm worn down by this k…

I've noticed the same behavior in myself, but I think the explanation is simpler than needing to dive into existential philosophy; our tools suck, and we haven't found the right combination of features to make a nice simple software system that people can use for their daily lives.

I still think something like Emacs or Leo is the way forward, the UI/UX just needs to be massively improved.

https://leoeditor.com/preface.html

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by bheadmaster »

antonvs wrote: post #369
bheadmaster wrote: post #368

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The purpose of the phrase "this is idiotic" isn't to inform, but to insult. It contains no useful information whatsoever. > Would it be ok to praise the quality of the argument? If so, it should be ok to criticize it as well. Why would the former imply the latter? It is ok to give gifts to people, but not to steal from them.

> It contains no useful information whatsoever. It’s a claim about the nature of an argument. Do you believe it’s not possible for an argument to be idiotic? > Why would the former imply the latter? Because restricting speech that’s critical leads to a degradation of the quality of dialog. Idiotic arguments exist. So do spurious arguments, disingenuous arguments, bad arguments, pointless arguments, dishonest argument…

> It's a claim about the nature of an argument. Do you believe it's not possible for an argument to be idiotic?

No, I believe that an argument is either valid or invalid. Any other characteristic is meaningless in pursuit of truth.

Consider the meaning of the term "idiotic": something that only an idiot would say. Therefore, "that is idiotic" means "that is something that only an idiot would say", which in turn implies that the person saying it is an idiot.

> Idiotic arguments exist. So do spurious arguments, disingenuous arguments, bad arguments, pointless arguments, dishonest arguments, and so on. Which of those adjectives would you like to ban when discussing the quality of an argument?

The only one I'd like to ban is "idiotic", since it's the only one that insults the person. "Dishonest" is a little tricky, since it's hard to prove someone's intentions or honesty, but depending on the context it might be okay. All the other adjectives are only describing the quality of the argument, without insulting the person - and while meaningless by themselves (what does "bad argument" mean?), I'd consider them fine to be used, as long as further elaboration is included.

Some examples of other adjectives I'd ban are "retarded", "stupid", "foolish", "lazy", "malicious", since they all insult a person or imply bad motivations, without providing any information.

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by account42 »

geraldwhen wrote: post #346
CM30 wrote: post #266

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I'd say that video game modding and hacking communities have a similar vibe to them, as do fan created content sites and communities in general. Probably in all causes because being unable to legally make money from your activities scares away folks that just want to cash in on the latest grift, and don't care a single damn about quality.

Video game mod sites are highly political. You can’t get away with anything that would have been fine in the year 2007. There’s no debate any more, just banning and shadow banning. Forums used to be spicy! Now they are nothing but toxic positivity or bland nothingness.

There are still "spicy" fourms.

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by sdsd »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #372
sdsd wrote: post #181

i recently created a website: 13channel.crabdance.com we only have a handful of users, feel free to join us. I think it's hard for people to stick around since there are no alerts, subscriptions, notifications, etc. You have to come back to the website and check.

But what is its mission?

just for fun - something to do with my digital ocean droplet. it's actually down now since i deleted the droplet and am planning on buying a VPS. probably won't run an imageboard tho.

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by kelseyfrog »

antonvs wrote: post #367
kelseyfrog wrote: post #197

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That's funny. I'll be here still waiting on hearing which evidence will change your mind. :)

The other user is correct, your style of discussion is obnoxious, and is not contributing anything useful to the discussion. What are you trying to achieve here, exactly? Did something trigger you to start behaving in this way?

The question, "What evidence would change your mind?" is perfectly reasonable.

It's a proxy for "Does your response to this topic involve trapped-priors?" Most people aren't willing to reveal or acknowledge they have trapped-priors and so it jumps to the end of the conversation where they simply leave. It's saves my time discussing topics by avoiding interactions with close-minded people.

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Post by zilti »

krapp wrote: post #327
Stranger43 wrote: post #73

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But those are platforms, for some reason this was not seen as a major problem back when we had websites and rss feeds rather then people sharing spaces on a single platform. There was always an underground of filth(even in the pre-internet days) but unless you sought it out you werent actually exposed to it back in the pre-platform days. It could be that the platformization is a consequence of people wanting censorsh…

It's simply that platforms are more convenient. Most bloggers never got a comment that wasn't spam, but platforms make it easier to find an audience. Platforms (if they're big enough) make it easier to find content relevant to your interests than webrings or link aggregators ever did. Most people don't want to learn how to hand-code HTML and run a server just to express themselves or communicate on the web. Curation…

There were plenty of ways to have a website without writing any HTML and without running your own server even 20 years ago.

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Post by zilti »

bheadmaster wrote: post #211
cloverich wrote: post #184

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I think communities attract types of folks unless they become uber popular (like reddit) to the point they can attract everyone. 4chan was interesting when I found it, but I quickly found it became mostly toilet humor at its best, and was often (i.e. every time I opened it) full of racism and sexism. It was a safe place for immature folks to shout whatever they wanted and not care who it affected -- though of course…

> It was a safe place for immature folks to shout whatever they wanted and not care who it affected It is sad that the popularity of internet has reached such proportions that people are no longer responsible for what they read by their own choice , but rather people seem to be responsible for what they write , regardless of the fact that anyone can choose not to read it. Internet posts are just text, yet people act…

People tried the latter a number of times already. Then the activism at US unis happened; first, about a decade or a bit more ago, lefties not only stuffed books with trigger warnings, but fought (and in a few cases successfully) for books to be banned from universities because they made them feel "unwell". Then, as if copying them, right-wingers tried the same in recent years. It's a shit culture, that's what.

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by aymar_99 »

jassyr wrote: post #283
simonw wrote: post #190

I want more people to have link blogs. I have one in the sidebar of https://simonwillison.net/ which I've been running since November 2003. You can search through all 6,836 links here: https://simonwillison.net/search/?type=blogmark I can post things to it with a bookmarklet. It has an Atom feed. It's such a low-friction way of publishing. A lot of https://daringfireball.net works like this too. I also like https://w…

I enjoyed the blog. Where do you find the time to post though, once you're done with work or do you schedule specific time to post?

We could automate the link posting process. Here is a thought, create a form which accepts the input of link details, stores in some place and ur website reads and displays from there. Submitting a form could be simpler and can be done from any device.
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