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IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by alasdair_ »

sidlls wrote: post #247
closeparen wrote: post #228

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Tech is moving rapidly out of Silicon Valley... but strangely, straight to the developing world, skipping second-tier metros.

Some tech is. Meanwhile large tech companies that are actually innovating (FAANG, near-FAANG, and FAANG-adjacent companies) are not. My comp has never been higher, and we're hiring. In the bay area.

I’m honestly unable to name a single innovation from a FAANG that wasn’t just buying another company or cloning a competitor in the last five years.

What has Meta or Google or Microsoft actually innovated on recently?

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Post by bvvg »

alasdair_ wrote: post #363
mschuster91 wrote: post #300

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> It's an interesting model, I remember folks on HN calling for more companies to try it since it seems to have had some success in Germany, but I predict a lot more security bugs and unmaintainable code in the near future. German here. The secret sauce behind the Duales System is that it's, as the name suggests, a split system - one part of the training is at government-run schools ("Berufsschule"), and the other pa…

Can you list some things graduates of this “secret sauce” have built?

Very likely core-competence in technical work, which is priceless in my opinion.

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Post by oceanplexian »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #183
linuxftw wrote: post #130

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Twitter could have fired nobody and the advertising revenue would have still declined, those two things were mostly unrelated. I've never personally believed in Twitter as a business model, so you're preaching to the choir there. As far as innovation, though, Elon has stated he wants X to be the 'everything app' similar to whatever it is they use in China, in particular payments.

> Twitter could have fired nobody and the advertising revenue would have still declined, those two things were mostly unrelated. Unrelated in the short term. In the long term, I disagree. Twitter is not that interesting of an app that users are flocking to it, nor it is so fundamentally different from any of its competitors and essential as a social network, that it would have a captive audience. Twitter user base pe…

Yeah the whole everything app/banking app concept is pushing is bizarre to me.

Why wouldn’t everyone use Apple Pay? And as successful as Elon has been in his other companies, is it wise to go up head on against Apple, literally one of the most valuable companies in the world? Making Twitter into a payment app sounds like one of the worst ideas I could possibly think of.

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Post by ehnto »

kredd wrote: post #287
grogenaut wrote: post #281

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How many retire/quit/die each year

Relatively young industry, the population pyramid of workers would have more people at the bottom. So gaining only 700 jobs isn’t that fun. That being said, I feel bad for newgrads, since it feels like nobody wants to train them anymore. Any job posting I’ve seen is mostly 2-3 year minimum experience at a professional level.

I have genuinely never seen an in-house training program in the software industry. Maybe some bullshit industry certs that amount to a single exam. But nothing like an apprenticeship style program where over a year you are taught and mentored.

Even university doesn't teach you how to work in the industry. It's a very DIY career, we should probably change that.

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Post by coffeecloud »

thomascgalvin wrote: post #212

> Based on analysis of US Bureau of Labor Statistics data by Janco, news that the IT industry added just 700 jobs following an estimated 262,242 jobs lost amid mass layoffs is shocking, but not surprising. So it isn't that only 700 jobs were created, it's that despite the massive layoffs everyone is reporting on and focusing on, there was actually a small net positive in job growth. > Currently, there are almost 100K…

"Skill mismatch" could also mean experience mismatch. I would imagine a mismatch is more often about a company wanting someone with 10 years experience in a particular domaine than about a Java developer needing to learn python.

You can't take an online course or build a couple side projects and be qualified to run a 1M+ qps distributed system.

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Post by symlinkk »

mrguyorama wrote: post #232
closeparen wrote: post #176

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Yes, that's what economic equality means.

"But but but but my CV enlarging JS framework wankery for the spotify of deli meats is obviously so much more valuable to people than a bartender!"

I mean bartenders are unironically useless. If there was a machine that dispensed highballs I would much rather prefer that than leaning over the counter for 20 minutes waiting for my drink while the bartender flirts with some girl.

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Post by wyclif »

freddie_mercury wrote: post #368
orochimaaru wrote: post #36

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I think a lot of big-co are setting up subsidiaries overseas and hiring there. It's different from the contract based offshoring model that happened in 2007 or so which had rather disastrous results. I know my company has and plans to have almost 1/2 its IT workforce as direct employees overseas.

This was a pretty forseeable event after US based developers repeatedly told their bosses that development could be done just as productively remotely.

just as productively remotely

...with the same staff and teams, that's the important qualifier. Nobody thinks they're going to get the same quality team by body shopping their hiring funnel.

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Post by bombcar »

alasdair_ wrote: post #371
sidlls wrote: post #247

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Some tech is. Meanwhile large tech companies that are actually innovating (FAANG, near-FAANG, and FAANG-adjacent companies) are not. My comp has never been higher, and we're hiring. In the bay area.

I’m honestly unable to name a single innovation from a FAANG that wasn’t just buying another company or cloning a competitor in the last five years. What has Meta or Google or Microsoft actually innovated on recently?

The M1 is kinda innovative but Apple did “just buy companies”.

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Post by chii »

spacemadness wrote: post #146
Workaccount2 wrote: post #43

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To me it looks like tech is just falling more in line with other industries pay/workload. I think there are many who joined the tech workforce during the pandemic thinking the norm was to make $135k while doing 10 hours of real work a week from home, twiddling a few lines of bootcamp level javascript to appease your largely absent boss. Many may forget, or not have been there, but 10-15 years ago tech jobs were notor…

I am dumbfounded this idea gets trotted around HN so freely. I’ve met nobody like this in the industry. Most people I know are burnt out from many years of having to work over 40 hours.

> I’ve met nobody like this in the industry.

nobody is going to admit to other people they know that this (slacking off) is what they do. You only get this on an anonymous forum like HN or reddit. Of course, some of them might be lying, but where there's smoke, there's fire imho.

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Post by nostrademons »

wyclif wrote: post #243
nostrademons wrote: post #240

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My company's doing apprenticeships; take somebody with no CS education, not even a college degree, and teach them to code. It's an interesting model, I remember folks on HN calling for more companies to try it since it seems to have had some success in Germany, but I predict a lot more security bugs and unmaintainable code in the near future.

Are you allowed to say what company you work for?

It's a FANG.
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