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Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by nvm0n2 »

gavindean90 wrote: post #301
havaloc wrote: post #246

Anyone else remember Mitchell Baker (Firefox CEO) calling for more than deplatforming? https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat...

He is saying platforms need better tools than simply banning. I don’t see a problem with this aside from a headline that is a bit provocative.

She is saying that the "open web" Mozilla envisions is one where Mitchell Baker and her friends get to censor and manipulate content directly in the browser.

Obviously, people of the same ideology as her will agree with that, because they hate openness and debate. This is an excellent reason to stay away from Firefox. Using it is getting very close to being a political statement, which given the blog post, could mark its users as those in favour of in-browser political censorship.

Edit: very strange that some people cannot see this. She is extremely explicit:

> Donald Trump is certainly not the first politician to exploit the architecture of the internet [...] to foment violence and hate, and reinforce white supremacy [...] and he won't be the last [...] changing these dangerous dynamics requires more than just the temporary silencing or permanent removal of bad actors

Let's rephrase that: she claims the "architecture of the internet" - that's the web - has "dangerous dynamics" because (she thinks) it helped a Republican. Not some specific website, or some specific incident, or even some specific politician! The whole design of the internet itself is dangerous, and hence she demands "solutions" to make a "better internet" that goes beyond mere "permanent removal of bad actors" but rather solves the problem pre-emptively before "untold damage is done". Nobody who runs a browser should have this kind of revulsion towards what the internet is.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by goku12 »

graphe wrote: post #343
Drakim wrote: post #229

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And after that's normalized, then Google will enhance your user experience by bringing "Android Webview security" to Chrome on android, you know, it makes you really secure, it's really to help you keep safe. A few years down the road, a surprising amount of companies insist you can only use their product on those secure smartphone browsers because of it's enhanced security, so Google helps you out by adding a specia…

Unreasonable and unsubstantiated expectations. Web sites want you to visit them, they have no reason to barrier you. Some sites I use still have http and if a site wanted you to visit it in a specific way they'd use an app. If the model is to make web sites less accessible for profit it would need a compelling reason to visit it in spite of the barriers. It will never happen.

Nothing unreasonable or unsubstantiated. This is exactly what happened with app geolocking, privacy sandbox/topics, SafetyNet/Play Integrity API, etc. All of these are supposed to improve security and privacy and yet none of them are under the control of the user. Clearly implying that the user is the biggest security/privacy threat to them.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by ostensible »

speedgoose wrote: post #48
leosanchez wrote: post #18

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Firefox has ads doesn't it ? for the homepage links. (I am not complaining. long time firefox user)

Firefox’s default search engine is also Google Search, full of ads and spam.

This is what pays their bills. Major source of income for Mozilla is Google paying to be default search engine

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by jcfrei »

krastanov wrote: post #85
jcalvinowens wrote: post #5

I switched back to firefox last year and haven't looked back. I still use chrome on another laptop sometimes, the performance difference from my human perspective is literally zero. These days, it's much more common for me to encounter a website that works in firefox but not chrome than the other way around. I actually switched for good when I had to use firefox to file my taxes, because the IRS free self-file site w…

Firefox out of the box indeed does not cause broken websites. However, the demographic of this forum probably will use Firefox with "Multi-Account Containers", "Temporary Containers", "uBlock Origin", and a few more. These are amazing for privacy and productivity, but will occasionally cause broken websites. Source: I am a Firefox-first user who occasionally uses plugin-less Chrome because the aforementioned plugins…

There's some more you should do to increase privacy: Disable Firefox sending each keystroke into the address bar to all the numerous search engines (includes google). Best to just enable the separate bar for search and disable search suggestions entirely.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by sircastor »

I just read a bunch of comments yesterday [1] talking about Mozilla and its CEO putting little energy and money into Firefox. I am supportive of the sentiment but when Mozilla doesn't seem very committed to Firefox, it's hard to get onboard.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38795308

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by kgwxd »

JonathanBeuys wrote: post #45

I would like to, but Firefox behaves problematic in regard to auth urls like https://name:password@news.ycombinator.com 1: When you bookmark them, it shows the auth part when you hover the bookmark with the mouse. 2: When you open them from the command line firefox https://name:password@news.ycombinator.com And then ctrl+click links on the site, it opens the new tab and shows the auth part in the tab title as long as…

I have a hard time believing you even do what you're claiming. The number of sites that support logging in that way is basically (pun intended) 0. In fact, firefox is the only browser that warned me that someone is probably trying to scam me with a url like that, the other browsers just dropped the auth part and went to the site without logging in.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by graphe »

goku12 wrote: post #372
graphe wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unreasonable and unsubstantiated expectations. Web sites want you to visit them, they have no reason to barrier you. Some sites I use still have http and if a site wanted you to visit it in a specific way they'd use an app. If the model is to make web sites less accessible for profit it would need a compelling reason to visit it in spite of the barriers. It will never happen.

Nothing unreasonable or unsubstantiated. This is exactly what happened with app geolocking, privacy sandbox/topics, SafetyNet/Play Integrity API, etc. All of these are supposed to improve security and privacy and yet none of them are under the control of the user. Clearly implying that the user is the biggest security/privacy threat to them.

Which sites require those? How would that allow them to make more profit?

I literally said if they want people to visit anywhere they use a site and if not they lock down the experience with an app, and you said they lock down apps as 'proof' that they'd lock down web sites because somehow they are equal. Apps have never been about freedom. Starbucks doesn't want user choice and privacy when they ask you to download their app.

And I'm yet to see what business model it would work for. I'm going with 'none'.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by capl »

nilespotter wrote: post #208
nsagent wrote: post #79

As someone in the Apple ecosystem, Firefox is not a very compelling alternative. I've certainly tried: Firefox Focus was my main iOS browser for a few years (I know it's Webkit-based) and I've tried switching on desktop as well. On desktop, various Firefox updates would change my settings subtly and nag me about features I had no interest in. On top of that, it was simply a slower browser, both with DOM manipulation…

I use Librewolf and Orion on MacOS, Orion on iOS/iPadOS (which is Safari I suppose, but the shell is awesome)

I’ve tried using Orion but I found it very slow and does not work fully as it should with a single chrome plugin I tried. Back to Safari!

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by edgan »

trts wrote: post #228
behnamoh wrote: post #183

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>\ Hot take: I tried FF for a long time but finally switched to Brave. Yes, I'll be downvoted for saying this but it's objectively one of my top 3 favorite browsers rn. 1. Brave 2. Edge 3. Safari I like each of them for different reasons. Brave (after disabling annoying features such as crypto and VPN) is awesome and its iOS app is the only one which can play videos in the background, has dark mode, and syncs really…

Brave is really good and always surprising me with features while largely staying lean and out of my way. They recently added a chatbot that runs locally they call Leo based on llama2. It's pretty impressive that you can perform LLM tasks on the current page without the use of any 3rd party service. And of course you can pay them for the souped up version. https://brave.com/leo-release/ Feels like I am alone in think…

I have tried Brave multiple times. I find its desktop version as bad or worse than Firefox for things not working or bugginess.

I have used Brave more on Android. I have bounced between Firefox, Brave, and custom builds of Chromium for years. I am currently on Firefox.

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