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Re: Generation Junk

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I don't understand why anyone would do this even with real borosilicate glass. It is unreasonable to expect glass to survive with something massive and hot on one side and something massive and cold on the other side. Even flawless pyrex will break with temperature differentials above 300F.

Real Pyrex really ought to survive a 300F (150C) temperature difference.

How high do you believe? What do you think the temperature coefficient of expansion is for pyrex bakeware?

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My grand parents live in an old farm-house, 100 years old or more. When that house was built - there was no electricity. That had been added later - and you could still see where channels had been hewn into the wall to put in cables and later plastered over again. But everything electrical in that house was repairable to a degree that seems unimaginable today. For example, every single power plug had screws. If you r…

At least in the UK, appliances have to ship with a moulded plug, manufacturers aren't allowed to supply anything else. Personally I've never had one fail but I have had traditional screw together plugs fall apart.

For Finland I think some CEE 7/16 have failed, but that has been rare and must have been misuse. Like putting weight on the plug.

Type F or CEE 7/7 are nigh indestructible. And only failure case I remember is my brother cutting the cable with Chinese cleaver.

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I need a new washer-dryer, and now I'm scared to buy one. (The one from 2007 seems to eat clothes now... not sure if these things can even be repaired) Many years ago I came across https://old.reddit.com/r/BuyItForLife/ -- anyone have good stories from recommendations there? --- I generally agree with the premise of this article. Here are my experiences with some things that work and don't fall apart: - Zojirushi ric…

For a new washer and dryer, get a Speed Queen. USA made. Commercial style motors. No flashy smart features. They just work and they last.

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Of course the old cars you can still buy now are the reliable ones, because the unreliable ones have long been scrapped

That, is an excellent point. However, the very reason I buy in them in the first place is that they proved themselves to me _at the time_. Believe it or not, what I'm saying is I never had a bad experience with cars from the 90s, in the 90s.

The difference in body rust in winter climates with road salt is incredible, IME. Many cars from the 90s and early 2000s just absolutely fell apart.

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I’ve had to buy a lot of furniture and other things for my new house this year, and one of the things that really sticks out to me is that practically every category of product seems to be split into a bimodal distribution: cheap crap & luxury boutique. There are practically no entries occupying the middle of the market that are on the basic end regarding features & frills but also high-quality. It’s incredibly annoy…

This is a self-limiting belief. The middle category exists, if you go looking for it. It's still a second job to find it though. You need to learn about the materials, construction techniques, and even manufacturing and white label trends of the industry in question.

It's exhausting. But after spending a month or two studying, you will be able to find pieces constructed to last a lifetime.

For sofas try the Insider's Guide to Furniture. Plenty of brands in the middle range using hardwood construction, made in the USA, with high density foam.

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> The strangely short power cords on electronics.

That's lawyers, as well as the insane flagpole of stickers on each wire.

The simple fact of the matter, is that people are willing to buy junk. They want a certain level of functionality, at low prices.

Manufacturers (or software developers) have figured out how to provide a simulacrum of the functionality, for very low prices. These manufacturers put others, that make higher-Quality products, out of business, so you have a race to the bottom.

I spent almost my entire career, at companies that make extremely high-Quality products, and am quite familiar with the requirements to enable this.

It costs a lot; both time, and money. The difference between even a reasonably-high-Quality item, and a very-high-Quality item, in cost to manufacture, is kind of extreme (so their sticker price reflects that). It may seem that companies that make top-Quality stuff are rich, but they are not. The people that make a lot of money, are the ones that can push cheap dross, in large quantities.

That said, people don't actually want low-quality. It's just that they don't want to pay the premium for the higher-Quality stuff. Manufacturers that figure out how to produce higher-Quality, for lower money, and in larger quantity, do well (think many Japanese -and now, Korean, manufacturers).

There's a popular piece of a story, written by Sir Terry, called The Sam Vimes Boots Theory[0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory

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So this article implies that a number of things that we buy previously were built to last longer, and indeed did last longer. The first few examples are kitchen appliances. In this case I don't really know, but I'm at least willing to listen. Ultimately the evidence is people responding to a thread on Twitter where he solicited complaints. Not so compelling. But then he mentions a "hybrid sedan". Here I'm aware of th…

There's also a survival bias in that we don't consider the appliances from yesteryear that packed up back when disco was king.

That old juicer from the 40s was likely expensive "industrial" equipment for restaurants. Even today, if you buy any professional appliance and only give it occasional home use it will last forever.

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I'm curious. My previous soft was from Ikea. Of course Ikea makes cheap disposable furniture but this sofa, IMO, was not one of those. It was made of real wood, not particle board. It was super well designed. It assembled into 4 parts using slots and a few very large steal bolts and was also easy to disassemble for moving. It's entire cover was easy to remove so you could clean stains or easily replace it. Same for t…

Let me also add, in many other categories, I've rarely found a correlation between price, brand, and quality. Worst luggage I ever owned was Rimowa. It was the most expensive I've bought and broke several times. They'd fix it, but who wants to spend their vacation taking their luggage to the repair shop (and lugging it full from the airport to the hotel while it's broke) Worst and most expensive jacket I ever bought,…

Weird, Rimowa is one of the best suitcases I've ever owned. I've never had any other suitcase roll so smoothly. The exterior shell has some marks and whatnot (mostly due to careless handling), but the overall product is excellent...

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There are brands built to super high standards, but no-one wants to pay for them or deal with their compromises. We have been buying Miele appliances, and have nothing but excellent experiences. They aren't cheap, but the general opinion I've seen online is that they are one of the few brands that build quality modern appliances. My experiences would tend to back that up. Specific to the Miele washer and dryer, we ha…

In Europe heat-pump-dryers are the normal way dryers work and the clothes coming out of them are also crisp and dry. Are you sure there is nothing defective with your dryer?

No, there isn’t. Miele even has notes for its US models to make sure buyers understand they work differently. I just won’t run my dryer long enough to get them that crisp and dry; as I said we mostly hang dry. I can run the dryer half as long and they are 80-90% dry, then hang for the finish.

Re: Generation Junk

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So this article implies that a number of things that we buy previously were built to last longer, and indeed did last longer. The first few examples are kitchen appliances. In this case I don't really know, but I'm at least willing to listen. Ultimately the evidence is people responding to a thread on Twitter where he solicited complaints. Not so compelling. But then he mentions a "hybrid sedan". Here I'm aware of th…

> Modern cars are much, much more reliable and durable than ones built at any time in the past Bullshit. Mercedes-Benz W123.

Which was contemporaneous with the Yugo, so the Yugo is also a reliable and durable car? Or is it possible that there have been better and worse cars since the dawn of auto manufacturing?
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