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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by busterarm »

phpisthebest wrote: post #365
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #196

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There is an easy way to get around the "reported crimes" issue. Look at murders. Dead bodies will not be hidden. And murders are also showing returns close to historic lows. Also, the cities people are moving to have much higher per capita crime than NYC (nearly every mid to major US city has much higher per capita crime than NYC because NYC is incredibly safe for a US city). Here are the numbers (from July...this is…

No you can not just look at murders and declare that over all crime is down because murder is down. Looking at cities that do not have the same reporting problem that these large cities with a certain political bent you can see that murder does not track with non-violent crime aka property crime and only has a loose correlation to other violent crimes. it is entirely possible for Theft, robbery, Rape, etc to be incre…

In 2008, I was run over from behind by an MTA bus driver going south on 21st st in Astoria while on my bicycle. Broad daylight, normal conditions, I had totally un-missable neon reflective gear on.

This was a block and a half past a bus stop where the driver had previously been stopped. As I was stuck, run over, with myself and my bike stuck in the front right wheelwell, the driver opened the door and spent all of his time kicking me until I could pull the bike free, rather than help. Then he closed the door and drove away.

I sat on the sidewalk and calmly collected myself and my busted bike and called the non-emergency line for the 114th Precinct. Here's what the cop answering the phone told me:

"Hey jackass, do you actually think we're going to file a report against a city employee? click"

That's why I don't talk to the NYPD.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by juped »

TMWNN wrote: post #369
juped wrote: post #304

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Jersey City is in the New York metro area, Staten Island is not.

>Staten Island is not. As Wolfgang Pauli said after reviewing a paper, "That is not only not right; it is not even wrong". (And if you are thinking of claiming that Staten Island's lack of a bridge or tunnel connection to the rest of the city is a disqualifier, please don't bother.)

I hope you get that lobste.rs invite!

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by nec4b »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #359
op00to wrote: post #175

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My child's classmate has a mother who has only one lung, and that one lung is barely functional. If she catches COVID, she will certainly be in the ICU. As a class, we all worried about her mother during the entire pandemic.

So we should paralyze a generation? You work to keep the mother safe. You don't sacrifice the well-being of children and whoever else at the altar of her well-being. The same goes for the elderly. You don't lock down the world to keep them safe (which in NY was a disaster under Cuomo anyway). You take measures to secure their well-being without paralyzing everyone else. And FWIW, there are plenty in that age group wh…

>>So we should paralyze a generation?

A generation was paralyzed because it had 1 year remote school instead of in person? Kids are just fine. I think they rather got a much more valuable lesson on how to act in a crisis.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by nec4b »

gruez wrote: post #311
jupp0r wrote: post #132

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The 140k children who lost a parent or caregiver to COVID [1] would probably disagree with your statement. Losing your parents is also not great for emotional wellbeing or development. [1] https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/more-140000-us...

>Overall, the study shows that approximately 1 out of 500 children in the United States has experienced COVID-19-associated orphanhood or death of a grandparent caregiver. What about the other 499 children who missed 2+ years of in-person classes?

Why would that even be a problem?

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by nec4b »

gruez wrote: post #345
red-iron-pine wrote: post #317

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they'll make it up. nothing is going to magically bring a dead parent back.

>they'll make it up That remains to be seen. The 2022 PISA tests suggests that in developed countries, children have missed on the equivalent of 0.5-0.75 of a year's worth of learning. [1] https://www.economist.com/international/2023/12/05/the-pande... > nothing is going to magically bring a dead parent back. nothing is going to magically bring back those years either, for all 500 students.

They didn't loose those years. How do you even know it wasn't better for some at home than it was in school? Aren't you learning your whole life? Do you use everything you learned in school?

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by nec4b »

n8cpdx wrote: post #282
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53

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covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

How many kids not learning to read is an elderly life worth? Kids not eating? Child abuse going unreported and unchecked? How many years of learning loss is “just wanting to see grandkids” worth? And when did the benefits of closing school stop being worthwhile-how many years after the vaccine was widely available? Because the ongoing disruptions to education were measured in years- all while grandma and grandpa were…

>>How many kids not learning to read is an elderly life worth? Kids not eating? Child abuse going unreported and unchecked?

>>How many years of learning loss is “just wanting to see grandkids” worth?

Luckily this wasn't the problem, because kids were still learning, maybe at little slower pace, but on the other hand got to learn a lot of things they otherwise wouldn't get to learn in school. Do you use all the knowledge you learned in school? Have you not learned anything new since then?

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by nec4b »

lliamander wrote: post #286
baryphonic wrote: post #184

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> covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. Was someone forcing the grandparents to visit their infected grandchildren? In my own case, I didn't see my own grandmother for two years during COVID other than via Zoom/FaceTime. She has a history of bad lung infections, so none of us wanted to get her sick.…

> In my own case, I didn't see my own grandmother for two years during COVID other than via Zoom/FaceTime. She has a history of bad lung infections, so none of us wanted to get her sick. Absolutely! I was already under personal quarantine of sorts before the pandemic even started, because I had immune compromised people under my care. I would bever expect society to turn itself upside down to accommodate my particula…

What is the point of society if not to protect its weakest?

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by giantg2 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #367
giantg2 wrote: post #363

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"That is what I wrote" Could you point that out? I saw that the elderly had power - not the wealthy. Many elderly are also poor. Much of the political influence on Medicare comes from those who are working as they near retirement. For example, talks about raising the required age do not affect those already receiving it, but future recipients. Those are the people involved. The people receiving it could care less sin…

> I saw that the elderly had power - not the wealthy. Multiple groups can have varying amounts of power. In this case, I am using the fact that one group is getting a better benefit than another group as proof that the group getting the better benefit has power. Why else would they have it, and why else would those that do not have go without? > The reason the poor recieve less is because it's not single payer and is…

"Why else would they have it, and why else would those that do not have go without?"

I already told you - the people working to get it later are included in the group. It's not just old people.

"Voters skew older, and providing healthcare to the poor at least equivalent to Medicare is not a priority."

It's not a priority because the poor are a small voting segment. The voting segment concerned with Medicare include the elderly and those who are working and thinking about their future retirement, which is a huge segment.

"Medicare premiums get more and more means tested every year."

That's not exactly means-tested. You get Medicare if your old enough, then yes you have premiums and deductibles since this is insurance after all. You even have contribution requirements for things like part A. The permium cost can vary based on income, but that doesn't affect the actual coverage or eligibility.

Yeah, money is fungible. The laws are pretty clear on the funding sources and amounts for the entitlement programs, unlike with welfare programs that are more open-ended and less predictable.

Bend points are not means testing. You get your benefits regardless of your situation. The insurance just pays out based on a formula to adjust to cover the more basic expenses. You can see this intent in the way the formula for payouts is designed as a replacing percent of income as well as in the tax cap.

Stuff like Medicare and Social Security are not welfare programs that are means tested. The costs and benefits can vary based on contributions and income but you are entitled to the benefit. These programs are not powerful just because of the old people. The workers expecting these benefits in the future are a huge source of the political power. It's the money and the fact that people have been paying in with an expecting of benefits that's the difference.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by lotsofpulp »

giantg2 wrote: post #378
lotsofpulp wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I saw that the elderly had power - not the wealthy. Multiple groups can have varying amounts of power. In this case, I am using the fact that one group is getting a better benefit than another group as proof that the group getting the better benefit has power. Why else would they have it, and why else would those that do not have go without? > The reason the poor recieve less is because it's not single payer and is…

"Why else would they have it, and why else would those that do not have go without?" I already told you - the people working to get it later are included in the group. It's not just old people. "Voters skew older, and providing healthcare to the poor at least equivalent to Medicare is not a priority." It's not a priority because the poor are a small voting segment. The voting segment concerned with Medicare include t…

> The permium cost can vary based on income, but that doesn't affect the actual coverage or eligibility.

> The insurance just pays out based on a formula to adjust to cover the more basic expenses.

Both of these are means testing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_test

> A means test is a determination of whether an individual or family is eligible for government assistance or welfare, based upon whether the individual or family possesses the means to do without that help.

> The workers expecting these benefits in the future are a huge source of the political power. It's the money and the fact that people have been paying in with an expecting of benefits that's the difference.

I see what you are saying, but I don’t think many people buy it anymore. The demographics alone make it quite obvious that workers today should not be expecting those benefits, not to mention the continuous devaluation of them already for many years.

The old/young divisions are thoroughly established. Technically, I guess the division is old and young expecting inheritances versus young not expecting inheritances. There are just so many examples. California’s prop 13, defunding state colleges in favor of indebting students, tiered taxpayer funded DB pensions and retiree healthcare that are only available to older employees.

NJ just cut taxes big time for people 65+:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/21/nyregion/property-tax-cut...

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