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Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

habitue wrote: post #308
fermentation wrote: post #12

Sure looks dangerous for pedestrians

Personally, I think the "electric SUVs are bad for pedestrians" is just there to replace "SUVs are bad for the environment". Basically, this isn't a real argument, just a vibes thing, where big trucks are conservative coded and smaller cars are liberal-coded. In the grand scheme of things the difference in MPG of an SUV vs. a sedan is minimal when it comes to climate change, and the difference in pedestrian danger fr…

> I think the "electric SUVs are bad for pedestrians" is just there to replace "SUVs are bad for the environment". Basically, this isn't a real argument, just a vibes thing

Actually both of those statements can be true. Trucks have gotten larger and more dangerous for pedestrians and so it has become more common for people to point out vehicle size as a concern in addition to environmental issues.

> the difference in pedestrian danger from large car vs. small car is minimal.

I am not an expert here but from what I have heard, this is false.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

I_Am_Nous wrote: post #78
1970-01-01 wrote: post #59

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Safe public roads haven't existed since 1900.

Before cars it was highway robbers. Being in between places is always a higher risk location and roads are the guaranteed routes someone will go down. Cars make it safer for the people in them, the same way a stagecoach protected people up to a point.

I am less concerned with how today's car's relate to roads from 100 years ago and more interested in how today's cars relate to other options we have today, like bicycles and public transit.

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Post by weeblewobble »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #80
mike_d wrote: post #61

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It really has, cars have gotten progressively safer every year since 1975 for everyone involved. https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/child...

Are these charts simply displaying the gradual decline in children-under-13 walking and riding bicycles?

The chart shows child pedestrian deaths went from 1632 to 144. So a tenfold decrease. No idea about the stats on child pedestrianship but I’d be surprised if it was down 10 fold.

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Post by DennisP »

KaiserPro wrote: post #40
mike_d wrote: post #17

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> because every car people are buying looks identical It is almost like all other car makers know something Tesla does not. Maybe that big reflective flat surfaces are not safe for other drivers on sunny days.

or that flat surfaces aren't very strong, require more material to be rigid and generally have bad aerodynamics.

According to this sculptor/mechanical engineer who saw one recently, the Cybertruck actually has subtle curves. He posted photos.

https://twitter.com/DavidKasmanArt/status/172922332301007291...

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Post by SantalBlush »

talldatethrow wrote: post #300
slowhadoken wrote: post #213

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Yeah the driver is usually doing something stupid like texting too. Which reminds me of the Werner Herzog documentary From One Second to the Next (2013) @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk1vCqfYpos

Forget the driver, you can't control for that when you're walking. So you're left with acting better as a pedestrian.

Absolutely nobody thinks it's about controlling the driver when you're walking. You're debating a point that no one made.

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Post by orwin »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #236
yaomtc wrote: post #83

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Not everyone involved. Not for people outside the car. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184034017/us-pedestrian-deat...

Gee, I wonder what has happened since, say, 2008, that has caused pedestrians to lose any trace of situational awareness and wander in front of moving cars. It's almost as if they're distracted by something that became a factor relatively recently, around the same time that drivers also became much more distracted than usual. Someone should look into that.

And imagine if only one developed country had this trend, would that be an indictment on that country?

On a more serious note though, because sarcasm is weak person's weapon, the US do have a teen formation issue imho, among them driving lessons. I think the average US citizen born post 70s lack some basis, and I'm also afraid that this seemingly lack of competency feed insecurities. And it's not anybody's fault, the country is made around driving, you can't afford to give 20 to 40 hours of driving lesson to everybody who wants to drive, because everybody _need_ to drive, and for the same reason, you cannot make the driving exam too difficult.

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Post by orwin »

hnburnsy wrote: post #326
rob74 wrote: post #33

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The shoe-shaped things are that way because of crumple areas and pedestrian safety requirements (if the car hits a pedestrian, the bonnet is supposed to deform in order to minimize injuries). Contrast that to the Cybertruck, which... > ...has received criticism from automotive safety groups, including the Australasian New Car Assessment Program and the Euro NCAP, for not conforming to standards for pedestrian and cyc…

Are any mid or large sized American pickups sold new in Europe? All I can find is the Ford Ranger.

Well, it depends, but some US trucks have 'safe' versions they can sell in Europe. But you can still find monstrosities that passed regulation.

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Post by roflyear »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #254
roflyear wrote: post #231

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Why do you like the cyber truck?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37934831 > I traded a Toyota full size pickup truck in for my first Tesla, a Model S, because Tesla needed to move units to survive. I'm looking forward to closing the loop, trading that Model S (with almost 110k miles on it after driving cross country in six years) in for my Cybertruck. It's ugly, I love it, I don't care what it costs. I don't need a fancy EV. I want an EV I can…

It's interesting, because these heavy vehicles are really bad for the roads.

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Post by richardw »

metabagel wrote: post #355
richardw wrote: post #202

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There are definitely times I’ll take on a personal cost because of my principles. But he’s pretty far removed from your actual life and there are other factors. There are good people in the company and it’s the best current shot at competing with eg China. Fair chance almost all electric cars are made by China in 20 years. I’d rather deal with a flaky CEO who also happens to generate massive economic benefits for my…

> There are good people in the company There are a lot of reports that he doesn't treat employees well, at Tesla as well as Twitter. https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/16/23833447/tesla-elon-musk-...

I say some of A are good. You say B is bad to A. Those two statements can both be true.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by soupfordummies »

inhumantsar wrote: post #18
xp84 wrote: post #3

I'm rooting for it despite it being silly and not a practical pickup, strictly because every car people are buying looks identical (picture a crossover SUV from Toyota, Chevy, BMW etc. Basically shoe-shaped things). This looks like a concept car that would never come to market. I hope it sells really well and convinces others to bring actually-creative designs to market.

I couldn't agree more. Especially [Hyundai's recent sports car concept]( https://www.hyundai-n.com/en/models/rolling-lab/n-vision-74.... )

Hadn’t seen this, that car looks AWESOME
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