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Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by aliston »

johnwheeler wrote: post #84

Edit: I called it https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725682088639119857 nothing to do with dishonesty. That’s just the official reason. ———- I haven’t heard anyone commenting about this, but the two main figures here-consider: This MUST come down to a disagreement between Altman and Sutskever. Also interesting that Sutskever tweeted a month and a half ago https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1707752576077176907 Th…

If it was really just about seeing eye to eye, why would the press release say anything about Sam being "consistently candid in his communications?" That seems pretty unnecessary if it were fundamentally a philosophical disagreement. Why not instead say something about differences in forward looking vision?

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by eslaught »

johnwheeler wrote: post #84

Edit: I called it https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725682088639119857 nothing to do with dishonesty. That’s just the official reason. ———- I haven’t heard anyone commenting about this, but the two main figures here-consider: This MUST come down to a disagreement between Altman and Sutskever. Also interesting that Sutskever tweeted a month and a half ago https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1707752576077176907 Th…

This doesn't make any sense. If it was a disagreement, they could have gone the "quiet" route and just made no substantive comment in the press release. But they made accusations that are specific enough to be legally enforceable if they're wrong, and in an official statement no less.

If their case isn't 100% rock solid, they just handed Sam a lawsuit that he's virtually guaranteed to win.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by codys »

next_xibalba wrote: post #317

Here is Helen Toner's resumé: https://www.linkedin.com/in/helen-toner-4162439a/details/edu... I am genuinely flabbergasted as to how she ended up on the board. How does this happen? I can't even find anything about fellow board member Tasha McCauley...

McCauley's linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tasha-m-25475a54/ . From some digging, full name appears to be Aimee Nastassia 'Tasha' McCauley, and is married to Joseph Gordon-Levitt (the actor).

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by capableweb »

kolja005 wrote: post #362
anvuong wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is just disagreement in technological aspects, which any well-functioning company should always have a healthy amount of within its leadership. The press release literally said he was fired because he was lying. I haven't seen anything like that from a board of a big company for a very long time.

Additionally, OpenAI can just put resources towards both approaches in order to settle this dispute. The whole point of research is that you don't know the conclusions ahead of time.

Seemingly, OpenAIs priorities shifted after the public ChatGPT release, and seems to be more and more geared towards selling to consumers, rather than a research lab that it seemed they initially were aiming for.

I'm sure this was part of the disagreement as Sam is "capitalism incarnated" while Ilya gives of much different feelings.

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Post by jprete »

jumploops wrote: post #244

Sam and Ilya have recently made public statements about AGI that appear to highlight a fundamental disagreement between them. Sam claims LLMs aren't sufficient for AGI (rightfully so). Ilya claims the transformer architecture, with some modification for efficiency, is actually sufficient for AGI. Obviously transformers are the core component of LLMs today, and the devil is in the details (a future model may resemble…

The question has enormous implications for OpenAI because of the specifics of their nonprofit charter. If Altman left out facts to keep the board from deciding they were at the AGI phase of OpenAI, or even to prevent them from doing a fair evaluation, then he absolutely materially misled them and prevented them from doing their jobs.

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Post by johnwheeler »

matwood wrote: post #306
cowl wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't justify the hostile language and the urgent last minute timing. (partners were notified just minutes before press release). They didn't wait even 30 min for the market to close causing MSFT to drop billions in that time. A mere direction disagrement would have been handled with "Sam is retiring after 3 months to spend more time with his Family, We thank him for all his work". And surely would be taken months…

> last minute timing Only feels last minute to those outside. I've seen some of these go down in smaller companies and it's a lot like bankruptcy - slowly, then all at once.

Exactly. They call it: The shit hitting the fan.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by foobiekr »

johnwheeler wrote: post #84

Edit: I called it https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725682088639119857 nothing to do with dishonesty. That’s just the official reason. ———- I haven’t heard anyone commenting about this, but the two main figures here-consider: This MUST come down to a disagreement between Altman and Sutskever. Also interesting that Sutskever tweeted a month and a half ago https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1707752576077176907 Th…

I think you're completely backward. A board doesn't do that unless they absolutely have to.

Think back in history. For example, consider the absolutely massive issues at Uber that had to go public before the board did anything. There is no way this is over some disagreement, there has to be serious financial, ethical or social wrongdoing for the board to rush job it and put a company worth tens of billions of dollars at risk.

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Post by paulcole »

mil22 wrote: post #321
intellectronica wrote: post #298

Neither @sama nor @gdb are known to communicate in all lowercase. That fact that both did today must mean something.

It means there was no shifty business.

Hopefully somebody who makes crosswords for the NYT uses this as inspiration.

No shifty business?

LOWERCASEWRITING is one too long for a M-S but could work on a Sunday I guess.

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Post by jprete »

j45 wrote: post #334
crop_rotation wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The non profit is the majority owner of the for profit, and there is no investor pressure here to make billions.

Could that not change as the board changes?

I think the board is required to be a majority non-equity-holders precisely because an equity-holding board will not keep to their non-profit mission.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by HissingMachine »

malfist wrote: post #161
HissingMachine wrote: post #67

So is this the way the government takes control of the AI, next OpenAI will have new but familiar owners from Raytheon and the other Pentagon crowd?

Postulating crazy conspiracy theories is no way to go through life

Where is the conspiracy theory?
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