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Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by applied_heat »

dataflow wrote: post #275
applied_heat wrote: post #244

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You shouldn’t do electrical work on someone else’s house. If it burns down and electrical is the cause as an unlicensed uninsured electrician you are going to regret that $20 you made. Coding a web page for a neighbour is different since there are often no ramifications in the physical world if it doesn’t load or look exactly as desired

I'm not claiming it's a good idea for electrical work. I'm just replying to the points in the comment saying it's an insulting wage.

It’s not a realistic hourly rate given the overheads tradespeople have for things like insurance. Where I live a plumber is $135 for the first half hour and then $135 for every hour after that. Canadian dollars. When the phone rings off the hook at that rate who is going to bother with a $20 job.

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Post by dataflow »

applied_heat wrote: post #371
dataflow wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not claiming it's a good idea for electrical work. I'm just replying to the points in the comment saying it's an insulting wage.

It’s not a realistic hourly rate given the overheads tradespeople have for things like insurance. Where I live a plumber is $135 for the first half hour and then $135 for every hour after that. Canadian dollars. When the phone rings off the hook at that rate who is going to bother with a $20 job.

For a 10-minute job, $20 is equivalent to $120/hr. If you feel that's too small then pretend they said $40 instead, making it $240/hr. But you're setting up strawmen here. Not every single handyman job needs >$100 insurance for a 10-minute job, and nobody is claiming this is good for plumbing or electrical jobs in particular.

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Post by stiray »

gwbas1c wrote: post #297
stiray wrote: post #247

I had my mileage in wifi/routers development and I will say you just a proverb: "The one who knows how wireless works, uses cable." ;) When renovating an apartment I have put a shitload of ethernet sockets everywhere, there is no place in 80m2 apartment, where you would be more than 2m away of nearest (including toilet) and as 4 of them were not enough behind TV, I have added a router there. Wifi is just a patch if y…

> where you would be more than 2m away of nearest (including toilet) When I visit you and poop, do you have a way for me to connect my phone to your wired network? I'm going to be honest with you: Modern WIFI is really awesome. I don't have problems with reception now that I bought a powerful router. (And "just run a wire" isn't a solution; the devices that had reception problems don't support wired ethernet.)

No? You will use LTE and not bother with local connectivity. As I said, I have Wifi turned on but no one uses it.

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Post by medstrom »

tzs wrote: post #80
jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

> We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home ran coax to nearly every room in the house - it's a bit ridiculous How old is the house? If its more than 20ish years old running coax everywhere was a great choice. That would be before CAT5e cable so if they had went with ethernet cable instead of coax you'd be looking at 100 Mb/s. If it was built befor…

Maybe you can have a friend stick his head into the attic at the destination, while you stick your head up at the origin, then you just tie the cable end to a basketball and throw it through the attic for your friend to catch.

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Post by hnarn »

atomicnumber3 wrote: post #262
massysett wrote: post #209

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It’s always possible to run new Ethernet cable. Just think like a cable TV installation technician. Run it on the surface, drill through walls and fish as needed. Run it along the exterior if needed. It’s always possible. Not always pretty, but possible.

I develop software for a living, my capabilities at layer 1 are quite limited. Also my wife would not go for visible Ethernet run like that. I'd have to hire a contractor to do drywall work to have it done right. I have managed to get Ethernet everywhere I want for the most part though, thanks to a luckily positioned unfinished half of the basement and garage, where visible cables are fine and I can just pop through…

> Also my wife would not go for visible Ethernet run like that. I'd have to hire a contractor to do drywall work to have it done right.

Obviously this is always a cost issue (ie it’s subjective exactly how nice it has to look and what is acceptable to pay), but it’s far from impossible to run ethernet or fiber without breaking down walls.

The cheap version of this is having new covered cable channels running on top of existing baseboards and door trims. The more expensive version would be to either replace or carve out space in the boards to fit the cable, in that case you would never see it except when it exits the board to an outlet.

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Post by [deleted] »

atomicnumber3 wrote: post #168
hnarn wrote: post #164

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> We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home ran coax to nearly every room Obviously a bit late for this, but I don’t understand, if there’s “coax to nearly every room” how can it also be “not feasible” to run new cables? If nothing else surely you could just run ethernet or even fiber in the physical channels now used by coax? Especially if the alt…

OP could almost be describing my house. New construction, coax to every room, no ethernet. And the builder specifically warned me not to try to use the existing coax to pull a new drop because it's all filled with fireproof foam/insulation stuff.

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Post by AniseAbyss »

inglor_cz wrote: post #257
tzs wrote: post #80

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> We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home ran coax to nearly every room in the house - it's a bit ridiculous How old is the house? If its more than 20ish years old running coax everywhere was a great choice. That would be before CAT5e cable so if they had went with ethernet cable instead of coax you'd be looking at 100 Mb/s. If it was built befor…

Reading you both... I am 45. Last year, before I moved to a new house, I decided to run CAT8 Ethernet everywhere. Some people told me that they consider this excessive, but compared to the cost of the house, the extra cost was negligible and I hope this network will do well into the 2050s.

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Post by hnarn »

trapexit wrote: post #170
hnarn wrote: post #164

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> We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home ran coax to nearly every room Obviously a bit late for this, but I don’t understand, if there’s “coax to nearly every room” how can it also be “not feasible” to run new cables? If nothing else surely you could just run ethernet or even fiber in the physical channels now used by coax? Especially if the alt…

In American homes, cables are typically stapled to the wood frame construction, not run in conduit. You have to cut open the finished wall surface to change them.

Right, that makes sense. I’m realizing now I just assumed conduits were the norm.

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Post by dale_glass »

Someone1234 wrote: post #210
_yntr wrote: post #12

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> very expensive 10g For me it's just 2€ more expensive than the standard 1g plan. It's really unfortunate to see how bad internet prices are, especially in the US and other countries with ISP monopolies. The only reason my internet is so relatively cheap is because early on there was a lot of competition in my country.

That isn't what is expensive. If you get 10 GB, the question is, then what? I have bidirectional 1 GB plugged into a $200 EdgeSwitch, which then feeds Cat 6 throughout the home ($100/500 feet). This then filters down to $20-30 unmanaged 1 GB switches elsewhere. The whole thing is under $500. If I wanted to go up to 10 GB I don't just need to change to a $2K~ EdgeSwitch, I also need to run fiber/6E to be able to deliv…

There's much cheaper equipment than $2K. Try something from Mikrotik. They have offerings for 100G for less than half of that.
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