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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by cpeterso »

ronyeh wrote: post #43
eropple wrote: post #30

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Apple doesn't put a green bubble on SMS "to ostracize people's kids". Kids are ostracized just for having a default skin in Fortnite--because kids can be little shitheads. Apple differentiates because what you can do with SMS is different from what you can do with iMessage and that's a clear way to demonstrate it (and also to indicate if there's something weird going on when it changes from iMessage to SMS). RCS is a…

But they pick an ugly shade of green though. I currently have an iPhone 15 Pro Max and have also used Android devices in the past. I like to switch each time I get a new phone. Apple definitely picks an ugly color to make you feel uncomfortable texting with a non iPhone user. They should at least let users choose the color (which will never happen).

> Apple definitely picks an ugly color to make you feel uncomfortable texting with a non iPhone user.

But what's Apple's motivation? Making me feel uncomfortable reading an Android user's messages does little to influence that Android user into buying an iPhone.

That said, I don't know why Apple thinks the transport protocol (iMessage vs SMS) is so important that users want to see a color indicator for every message.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by JohnFen »

tredre3 wrote: post #328
qingcharles wrote: post #313

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Hopefully vendors start putting better fallback into their messaging clients when RCS isn't available. It's been terrible for all the poor people I know who rarely have working data on their phones, but RCS enabled by default. They can't figure out why they're not sending or receiving any messages and I have to keep disabling it for them.

If you turn off RCS, Google Messages shows you a full screen prompt once a week to turn it back on. Indefinitely. And of course the prompt has a large blue button to enable, and a very small text underneath to dismiss, making it easy to accidentally enable it. It happened to me a few times already. It also tells you nothing about the downsides (that you need a data connection, mainly) that would make RCS unusable to…

> If you turn off RCS, Google Messages shows you a full screen prompt once a week to turn it back on. Indefinitely.

It doesn't do this on my phones.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by JohnFen »

ghodith wrote: post #219
Spooky23 wrote: post #202

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Nobody does, it’s a bitchy trope. Green bubbles matter in group chats. You can’t easily change participants and stuff like reactions generate junk messages.

Very much not a trope. I personally know multiple people who refuse to text green bubbles, to the point of refusing dates from people who have Android.

> to the point of refusing dates from people who have Android.

The people who were refused dates dodged bullets, then.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by JohnFen »

rospaya wrote: post #265
filoleg wrote: post #246

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And I know multiple people who refuse dates from those who have a zodiac sign that is “incompatible” with theirs. I think we can safely disregard that as a factor, despite how relatively not-that-rare it could be.

Yeah but bubbles sound like a class difference, astrology is just pseudoscience. People seldom get mocked for being a libra, but they often get prejudiced for having less money.

Given that there are Android phones on the market as or more expensive than iPhones, how can these people tell which Android users are poor?

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by JacobThreeThree »

turquoisevar wrote: post #218
rickdeckard wrote: post #187

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RCS is still standardized and maintained by the GSMA, of which Google is a member. Google acquired Jibe in 2015 in order to get their RCS server and client architecture (Jibe was a leader in shaping the RCS-Standard). Everyone can make his own app, it's just that he would need to develop a whole RCS-client for it to interact with (Google's or carriers') RCS-Servers as well. So what is missing is Google offering their…

The problem is that Google has a de facto monopoly on RCS. The carriers (full members of GSMA) came up with RCS as a replacement for SMS/MMS at a network level and then didn't have the appetite to implement it. Instead, they either A) adopted Google’s Messages as is, B) adopted Google’s Messages in white label form, slapping their logo on it, or C) made “their own thing” running on Google’s Jibe servers. With very fe…

>The actual RCS standard is dead for all intents and purposes because nobody uses it like that, except for Apple in the short term.

Maybe that will change now that Apple is adding support.

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Post by JohnFen »

ActorNightly wrote: post #278
filoleg wrote: post #246

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And I know multiple people who refuse dates from those who have a zodiac sign that is “incompatible” with theirs. I think we can safely disregard that as a factor, despite how relatively not-that-rare it could be.

I mean, the argument isn't that they should accept the date (on the contrary, these signs are actually beneficial for staying the fuck away from these people), the argument, or rather statement is that this sort of "tech jewelry" is very embedded in modern society, with Apple being the frontrunner. And this has real effects. For example, Im forced to use a piece of shit Macbook at work, where literally everything els…

> the company issues Macs as a way of attracting talent since "tech" people also want tech jewelry.

Only a very specific demographic, though. Such companies are missing out on a lot of talented tech people.

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Post by runlevel1 »

tredre3 wrote: post #332
ralferoo wrote: post #229

As an Android user, it'd be nice if replying "No" to "Do you want RCS?" meant "Never ask me again" and wasn't just interpreted as "ask me again in next week and every week thereafter".

Yup it's completely disingenuous on Google's part. Some people don't have data but Google doesn't care, they force clueless users to enable RCS anyway and then they're on their own to figure out why they don't receive messages anymore!

There's no feedback that a message was undeliverable?

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by kiwijamo »

daft_pink wrote: post #137

I really hope Apple allows us to disable many of RCS's features like read receipts and previews. I really don't want spammy users to start seeing read receipts, etc.

Previews are an app feature, not in the RCS protocol itself. I see message previews for SMS/MMS messages on Apple/Android devices despite the SMS/MMS protocol having no concept of previews. Most likely true for RCS as well.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by JohnFen »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #250
spike021 wrote: post #232

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That sounds like a people problem, not a tech problem.

It sort of becomes a people problem as people use messaging to communicate and organize events and exclude you because you'll break group chats. Probably not a big issue if you already have a solid social circle of old tight friends who don't care about you breaking chats as they can also call you, but it can be huge issue when you move to a new city and trying to make new friend, as any extra friction you add to gro…

> it can be huge issue when you move to a new city and trying to make new friend

Meh. I'm not interested in being part of a social circle that is as petty as that.

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