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Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by tracker1 »

martijn_himself wrote: post #259

Can anyone explain why Htmx is such a big deal? I really don't get their 'motivation' section on their landing page. I mean, for example, the first motivation it lists is 'Why should only and be able to make HTTP requests?', why is that an issue? And 'Why should you only be able to replace the entire screen?', I mean that hasn't been an issue since XMLHttpRequest or am I missing something?

HTMX is meant to relatively cleanly interact with updating portals on a rendered page. Where the serve-side handles the post data and simply returns the HTMX fragment that gets injected/replaced.

I can see the appeal, it's what ASP.Net WebForms probably should have been. And for that matter could probably cleanly fit with ASP.Net MVC and Razor views.

Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by riskable »

paczki wrote: post #361
recursivedoubts wrote: post #131

hi there, as many of you know, i am the creator of htmx and I'm happy to answer any questions about it htmx has seen a surge in popularity, triggered by a video by fireship dev ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-GSGH2RxJs ) and a series of videos by ThePrimeagen, a popular twitch streamer on it hacker news readers might be interested in the essays I have written on htmx & hypermedia in general here: https://htmx.org…

As someone relatively new (few months in) to full-stack development, what can HTMX offer me? I've been semi interested since Prime mentioned it a handful of times, but I feel maybe I'm too new to fully understand what I gain from it. As soon as I'm finish with my current project, I'd like to check it out. For reference, I'm currently working within the T3 Stack.

HTMX is just a convenient way of handling user-initiated UI updates AJAX calls (for whatever purpose). So instead of writing some JavaScript that looks for a specific element to attach an `onclick` event and subsequently makes an AJAX call then again searches for an element on the page to update with the result you can put some (very simple) HTMX code in the HTML directly and it'll handle that sort of thing automatically; "without having to think."

It's just a nice, convenient way of handling such things. The argument in the article is that "this is how HTML should've been from the start" because it lets you do some pretty sophisticated stuff just by adding some simple/intuitive attributes to the HTML.

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Post by 0ct4via »

kragen wrote: post #311
kitanata wrote: post #301

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LMAO, you think claiming to have a Jewish girlfriend means you're incapable of making anti-Semitic remarks... What's next, you can't be racist because you have a Black friend?!

You've done nothing but assume, make absolutely ridiculous stretches in your attempts to bring irrelevant points in to try and bolster your assumptions and baseless claims, and -- as for your "ideological battles" claim in another comment -- the only one bringing "ideology" into a discussion about data protection, is YOU.

Perhaps rather than being a toxic, condescending hypocrite, you could take a moment to step back and look at how hard you're projecting -- if you projected any harder, we'd be able to see you on the moon.

I won't be taking lectures on "elevated thinking" from an anti-Semitic narcissist who knows only baseless assumptions and false accusations, but keep raging on the internet.

Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by littlestymaar »

kragen wrote: post #65
okeuro49 wrote: post #63

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Off topic, but: > The right to erasure is also known as ‘the right to be forgotten’. https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-re...

no such right exists; that would be like the right to rob with impunity of course clever demagogues and rhetoricians can write such things into legislation, just as they can write legislation that claims you have no right to speak freely, but that just makes the legislation incorrect, like the famous legislation declaring pi to be exactly 3

You realize that you're just claiming an imaginary “right for business to keep data forever” and ascribe it a higher moral value than the “right to be forgotten” you judge unnatural?

Of course Google lobbyists are paid to argue that such a right exist and is higher up in the hierarchy than anything else, but there's no reason to listen to this arguments. I have no love for legislative bodies inventing artificial rights (like intellectual property rights), but corporations inventing artificial right is legitimately even worse.

This time fortunately the legislators took the side of the people and created a “right to be forgotten” instead of a “right to hoard private data”.

Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by throw1234651234 »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #347
throw1234651234 wrote: post #319

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This will just die like Web Components and RxJS after a few people write blog posts and do conference talks on it for hype, right? Does this work with Web Assembly? Of course Web Assembly will die too since it can't do SEO. In all seriousness though, what is the "core" reason to actually adopt this over the current approach?

if you sincerely wish to understand how htmx is different than the current SPA-talking-to-a-JSON-API approach I would start here: https://htmx.org/essays/hypermedia-driven-applications/ and then work through the rest of the essays: https://htmx.org/essays/

Thank you, reading now - do genuinely want to know. I understand how my message came across, but I do intentionally reflect how many attempts there have been to change the paradigm so far.

Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by doitLP »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #131

hi there, as many of you know, i am the creator of htmx and I'm happy to answer any questions about it htmx has seen a surge in popularity, triggered by a video by fireship dev ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-GSGH2RxJs ) and a series of videos by ThePrimeagen, a popular twitch streamer on it hacker news readers might be interested in the essays I have written on htmx & hypermedia in general here: https://htmx.org…

Are you also the writer of https://grugbrain.dev/?

Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by 0ct4via »

kragen wrote: post #346
kitanata wrote: post #92

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I contacted them. They outright refused to delete any comments, all comments or my entire account. Hacker News by matter of policy WILL NOT delete your comments, even when requested in writing.

in your case there seem likely to be extenuating circumstances; just after posting the above you accused me of 'anti-semitic rhetoric' in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37150457 for example people who egregiously abuse the site like that may be less likely to get cooperation in concealing their abuses

Interesting how you equate a simple desire to have the ability to delete comments (ostensibly a site-supported function) with "concealing abuses" -- it says more about your own projection than anything else.

All you've done above is make baseless assumptions and imply accusations against kitanata with no basis or merit.

Might want to check your own actions out before you go accusing others of "egregious abuse" - and as you put it, dial back on the rhetoric ;)

Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by 0ct4via »

kragen wrote: post #302
0ct4via wrote: post #292

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You realize your Googling doesn't make you an expert, right? It's very easy to be an American sitting in BA and judging things from what you've read on Wikipedia, but that doesn't mean you have the slightest actual understanding of the law or its application in China.

When you can read it in Mandarin and you've lived under and seen that particular law being applied in China, come back to me -- until then, keep your armchair-lawyering and racist condescension to yourself.

No accusations, buy a dictionary and you'll see the words literally describe your actions and comments. Don't like being called arrogant and condescending? Don't make arrogant comments and be condescending towards others. Don't like the observation that your remarks are puerile? Try making remarks with a modicum of maturity and less transparent projection, then.

Evidently you're too busy playing the victim to actually have any evidence to deny my point. Going "If YoU GoOgLe It" and making out like you're oppressed somehow is all you've got, then you don't have any kind of logical or sound basis for your "arguments" in the first place - such as they are.

That's a lot of baseless assumption you've got there, buddy - all from the mind that gave us, "have you ever met a person"[1] ...which is the most transparent non-argument trolling attempts appear on HN of late.

Bit hypocritical of you to try and harp on about kindness when all you've done is make baseless assumptions and false accusations to numerous people in recent threads... but then if you don't think you're being disingenuous, then you clearly won't have the forethought or self-awareness to realize that's not being "kind" ... which feeds back to the arrogance and narcissism observations, in a convenient little bundle.

Going "I think x" is a bit ridiculous when you literally stated the "right to be forgotten" didn't exist -- then when you were shown otherwise, you got petulant and resorted to baseless assumptions and ad-hominems. You're not IMAX, so there's no reason to be projecting that much.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37149287

Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by kragen »

0ct4via wrote: post #377
kragen wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in your case there seem likely to be extenuating circumstances; just after posting the above you accused me of 'anti-semitic rhetoric' in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37150457 for example people who egregiously abuse the site like that may be less likely to get cooperation in concealing their abuses

Interesting how you equate a simple desire to have the ability to delete comments (ostensibly a site-supported function) with "concealing abuses" -- it says more about your own projection than anything else. All you've done above is make baseless assumptions and imply accusations against kitanata with no basis or merit. Might want to check your own actions out before you go accusing others of "egregious abuse" - and…

deleting comments is supported for 2 hours if nobody has replied

> All you've done above is make baseless assumptions and imply accusations against kitanata with no basis or merit.

though you see nothing wrong with their behavior, kitanata has been banned from the site for abuse two hours ago as explained in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37150880

judging from the number of your comments that have been killed today you may be on the way to being banned yourself

maybe you should consider more carefully the moral of the hasidic parable i quoted in my previous comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37145942, that nothing you say can be unsaid

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