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Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by shmatt »

hosh wrote: post #316
6c696e7578 wrote: post #302

Obvious LOL. Stupid question, but did anyone ever /trust/ online social sites to do what they claimed when it came to managing user data?

Especially now that user generated content is AI training gold. User data has always been the core of freemium apps and “aggregators”: land-grab as many users as you can with a free, great product, so you can own a lot user data. We just didn’t have an obvious use for all that data until now. Reddit won’t budge on the API pricing because they can make more selling datasets. But if they are smart, they’d rate limit fr…

> But if they are smart, they’d rate limit free API access

They are, up to 100 requests per minute is still free post change

Someone could make a lot of money by building a paid Reddit app with everything people want, and a BYO API key, similar to what people are doing with OpenAI keys

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by libraryatnight »

tanepiper wrote: post #296
jlpcsl wrote: post #294

Wow wow, Isn't this the violation of the Europen GDPR privacy laws. If you deletd it then they should actually be deleted, otherwise you are violating the laws.

Yes and the irony is I was in Oslo today, showing to people within the EU our PoC demo for IKEA.com - on how we can provide recommendations with no third party data - and with the idea of consumers controlling exactly what is used to provide it - including the right to delete it all. This is the way we're going - totally the opposite way.

I want to go with you. The US is so awful for privacy, not just at an administrative level, but we have too many citizens that do not care ('nothing to hide') and believe in an internet that can only be funded by giving up privacy. (Just look to HN for many "well, how else do you pay for it?!" arms tossed up comments)

For a people that seem to think we're synonymous with 'freedom,' the paths we choose sure seem to indicate a fucked up vision of what 'freedom' looks like going forward.

Too many attitudes feel defeated and resigned to abusive things today.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by DropInIn »

Comments are protected by copyright....

By undeleting comments they are violating the copyright of the authors by engaging in unauthorized use

Even if Reddit was the one that deleted it, the user needs to be informed if Reddit renews their use of the copyrighted work.

Where the user deleted it, the violation is beyond obvious.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by eq88 »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #364
eq88 wrote: post #311

With how quickly Reddit and Twitter have destroyed their reputations, it almost feels like it's been intentional to bring down our giant public communication platforms as we enter a new age of misinformation.

I dunno what you are implying, but Reddit and Twitter dug their own graves. They repeatedly chose short term gain over the long term health of their platforms/users, and the debt is catching up with them.

I just am looking at two major platforms that have helped push back against the ruling class, and both got taken over and dismantled systematically

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by aprentic »

llm_nerd wrote: post #12

Hanlon's razor. Anyone who has used Reddit for any period of time (or basically any similar site, which includes FB, Twitter, and even HN), has seen data consistency issues during high load (like periods of activism). Shards die or fall out of quorum, work queues get purged, etc. That's the reality of systems with a lot of very low value data. Eventually consistent, but also perpetually inconsistent.

That would be a reasonable hypothesis if our information was limited to a few isolated inconsistency issues.

The more posts we see deleted the less likely it is that it's an accident. I just checked and found out that posts from an account that I scrubbed and deleted 5 years ago are popping back up. That stretches "eventual" pretty thin.

We also have a large amount of external information that suggests that reddit is not acting in good faith, much of it from Spez himself.

Between the two of those, malice is more likely than stupidity to be the motivating factor.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by upon_drumhead »

systemtest wrote: post #362
aqfamnzc wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't remember where I heard this, but I've always held the idea that anything you type into a text box, whether you remove it before hitting "cancel", delete it after submitting, or edit it, should be considered non-revocable and "out there". IIRC Facebook got caught recording what users typed up, changed their mind, and never thought they were submitting?

I've had interviews with programming challenges and they recorded every single keystroke. Not sure how legal that is.

Is there something specific that you think would be illegal? Or just a general sense that keystrokes shouldn't be logged?

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by netsharc »

aqfamnzc wrote: post #346
unshavedyak wrote: post #320

Yea.. this is why you don't delete, because god knows it isn't actually deleted. You edit, and even then it's as crapshoot because it might not be gone. If they store versions of old comments then even editing wouldn't help (which tbh, would make sense in case there were ban-worthy content being hidden via edit) . Plus of course the rest of the internet still likely has your deleted/edited comment. So nothing public…

Don't remember where I heard this, but I've always held the idea that anything you type into a text box, whether you remove it before hitting "cancel", delete it after submitting, or edit it, should be considered non-revocable and "out there". IIRC Facebook got caught recording what users typed up, changed their mind, and never thought they were submitting?

I think Facebook's argument was, if you're using it on several devices, then you can continue what you're typing on a different device! (Like how GMail saves your draft every few seconds). But of course they don't mention they might do analysis on what you wrote but never sent...

And some online shops do that too at checkout; if you fill in your email but then abandon it, you might get an email that says "Hey, you didn't finish your purchase!". My worst experience was with a phone provider, I just wanted to see how much a mobile package was priced, but I had to add it to a cart. I put in my real number and email and the fuckers added me to their marketing database, sending me SMS ads. Fuck youuu salt.ch!

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by Swizec »

Tozen wrote: post #315

More people are finding out that when a site or company says or pretends they have "deleted" something, that's not necessarily the case. Soon more will find out it's not just reddit, that holds on to or even transfers data for all kinds of undisclosed purposes or profit, that people think was gone or forgotten.

Part of the problem of course is that users want both soft deletes and hard deletes at the same time. The number of deleted things people later said was deleted in error and can we please restore is too damn high.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by cge »

DavideNL wrote: post #298
jlmorton wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did the same a week ago, deleting fifteen years worth and several thousand comments using Shreddit, by editing and deleting, however mine have not been restored, so I doubt this was some kind of broad action. I very much doubt Reddit cares at all about the small number of us that have done this.

Me too… note that Shreddit first edits the comment, and then, deletes it. Not sure if this would complicate a restore process by Reddit.

Apparently not. I deleted my comments with shreddit, editing first, and at least a large portion of them appear to have been restored to their original text.
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