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TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by piperswe »

bmarquez wrote: post #225
jameshart wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got my vaccine certificate from CVS. the state had very little to do with it.

The State of California automatically issued digital vaccine certificates. Basically QR codes that could be read by a business with the appropriate hardware. https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/

The state offered them, but they weren't the only way to get one. Any SMART compliant digital card (which most major healthcare providers and chain pharmacies provide) will pass verification anywhere a CA state one would.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by sirspacey »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #324
screye wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> side-loading of apps on Android 90%+ users are never going to use apks. If this ban kills the network effect (the R0 of the viral infection), then the last 10% aren't going to last long either.

That's true, but TikTok's primary demographic (teenagers) contains a disproportionate part of the population willing to go to remarkable inconveniences to subvert authority. Alcohol and vapes take substantially more effort for your average high schooler to get their hands on than downloading an APK and pressing "install", yet there's no shortage of drinking and vaping happening. As long as the overall platform is pop…

We might get some cyberpunks against

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by kelnos »

tracker1 wrote: post #301
twelve40 wrote: post #288

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but of this keeps trending (more future bans) it will nudge more people to sideload to get around stupid middlemen who get in their way countries who engage in these bans have conditioned many non-tech people to learn to use vpns and other tools "sideloading" is the norm on desktop too, btw, and always has been

Doubt it... I seriously doubt even 1% of android users has even heard of FDroid or knows that Amazon has it's own android market you can load on your phone. That will really limit network effect overall.

All it takes is one kid in class to sideload the app and show off to their friends that they have the app again, and others will follow.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by jitix »

kyriakos wrote: post #360
Buttons840 wrote: post #358

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There will be quite a stir in the school after TikTok disappears, and if a few kids still have access, they will get attention and other kids will want to know how. Perhaps a silver lining is that we're helping the upcoming generation understand the importance of controlling their own devices.

Imagine this boosts android marketshare in Montana as a side effect.

If it somehow happens I hope Apple follows with allowing side loading of (signed) apps as a competitive response. One can only dream..

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Post by RugnirViking »

woooooo wrote: post #127
mikece wrote: post #105

Tomorrow's story: "Residents of Montana discover VPNs and how to use them!" Between Utah and Montana the awareness and use of VPNs is rising among the non-security-conscious, and this is a good thing.

I saw a BBC story the other week bemoaning how state college students were circumventing firewalls of foreign media using VPNs.. the irony seemed to be lost on them.

could you link to the story?

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by can16358p »

I hate TikTok and CCP, but banning an app from use is just wrong.

Want to fight TikTok addiction or privacy issues with CCP? Sure, do it. But find other ways: banning users from using it, whereas especially everybody else can access it, is a huge punch on the rights of your own people.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by powersnail »

tracker1 wrote: post #301
twelve40 wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but of this keeps trending (more future bans) it will nudge more people to sideload to get around stupid middlemen who get in their way countries who engage in these bans have conditioned many non-tech people to learn to use vpns and other tools "sideloading" is the norm on desktop too, btw, and always has been

Doubt it... I seriously doubt even 1% of android users has even heard of FDroid or knows that Amazon has it's own android market you can load on your phone. That will really limit network effect overall.

Downloading from a website is simple enough. That’s what Windows users do for a long time. A mildly motivated teenager definitely can figure it out.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by petesergeant »

dboreham wrote: post #97

Installed the app last night. It would be interesting to see their DAU graph for the state! Something worthwhile noting here is that the usual "politicians don't understand the technology" sentiment doesn't apply here because our governor at least knows how to code Perl, and ran a software company.

> our governor at least knows how to code Perl

Interesting! The more Perl people we can get into government[0] the better, for sure

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Tang

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by egorfine »

I live in a country where such a ban on certain "enemy" social networks was implemented a few years ago.

What will happen is this.

Teens will download a shit ton of VPN applications, the vast majority of which are specifically produced and marketed by the enemy to circumvent said ban. Then all users' phone traffic gets routed via the enemy VPN instead of just the social app's requests.

Win-win for both sides:

- the government gets populistic approval from the eldery population; - the adversary gets way more US users' data than they ever dreamed of.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by MadSudaca »

egorfine wrote: post #379

I live in a country where such a ban on certain "enemy" social networks was implemented a few years ago. What will happen is this. Teens will download a shit ton of VPN applications, the vast majority of which are specifically produced and marketed by the enemy to circumvent said ban. Then all users' phone traffic gets routed via the enemy VPN instead of just the social app's requests. Win-win for both sides: - the g…

Let's say establishing policies to reduce the use of TikTok in the population is the right move. What policies would you suggest?
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