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Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Dalewyn wrote: post #363
matheusmoreira wrote: post #340

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Software as a service is a continuous operation. Cars aren't. Not hypocritical at all. No one cares that they want to be as profitable as big techs. We want to own our damn cars. We want to accelerate as much as we want. It's that simple and requires no further justification. We take issue with big techs locking down computers too. No problem with them running whatever they want on their servers but we want to run wh…

>Software as a service is a continuous operation. I would pay to get software not as a service. Fuck your updates, I don't want bloody updates that end up breaking my stuff and wasting my time. Give me one version, no updates and no support, and I will give you top dollars. If I want an update I'll come back to repeat the process again, giving you top dollars again, several years down the road. Are big purchases ever…

That's okay, I was just pointing out that it's not hypocritical at all. Personally I'd rather have free as in freedom software running locally on unlocked computers. This should be the norm and use of technology like remote attestation to penalize us for exercising our freedoms should be illegal.

Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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Post by [deleted] »

wiseowise wrote: post #348
olyjohn wrote: post #290

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You put the /s, but I don't think this comment is inaccurate in any way. Some people really have enthusiasm for nothing but making money. No hobbies, no interests, no friends, no other goals.

> Some people really have enthusiasm for nothing but making money. As long as those people have morals, what’s wrong with that?

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Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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Post by dh2022 »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #218
karaterobot wrote: post #172

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> It's curious that the market (almost?) always decides what is bad for the consumer and profitable for the companies. In some cases people choose things that are bad for them, for all kinds of reasons. Someone will always sell you a subscription to your own car, if you tell them you want one. The market is the mechanism, the responsibility lies with the consumer. I know that it feels like there's a conspiracy, but i…

> The best solution is for people to exercise good judgment. Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. Guess which phase we're in now.

"Experience comes from bad judgement." Are you speaking from your own experience???

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Post by alistairSH »

shortcake27 wrote: post #308
alistairSH wrote: post #262

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Sure, but that doesn't mean a subscription is the consumer-friendly way to manage those costs. If a buyer wants 500hp instead of 300hp, there should be a 1-time fee assessed at the time that feature is unlocked (traditionally at purchase because it required a whole different engine; now via app/cloud/magic because it's all software). The only reason a subscription model should be foisted on the consumer is when the v…

If you bothered to click on the article before commenting, you would know that Mercedes gives customers the option to buy it outright or pay a subscription.

I did read it, so get fucked.

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

konschubert wrote: post #245
horsawlarway wrote: post #38

I want to see this legislated out of existence. To be clear, because every time this comes up some dickfucks come in here and start making excuses about how it's better to rent in some cases and that this is just amortizing the whole payment, and there are some people who want this: No. This is a fucking terrible deal even just using mercedes numbers. It takes a whopping 30 months (2.5 years) for the monthly payment…

I will get downvoted to oblivion for this and apparently this makes me a simp. But if I buy the car and don’t care for the acceleration, then I can NOT book this feature. And in a competitive market, which the auto market is, this will mean that the MRSP for the car is lower for me than it would otherwise have been. Unbundling is part of what made air travel affordable. In a competitive market, unbundling lowers base…

The problem with this line of thinking is that the price reduction for the "affordable" option compared with the old all-in pricing is $5. The price premium for the new deluxe (with additional features compared to the old all-in price) is $20. [Note that the $5 and $20 are meant to be relative to each other, not to the base price]

People then say, "customers must prefer dogshit because their spending habits tell the story"

Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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Post by MisterSandman »

iknowstuff wrote: post #365
krono wrote: post #314

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They already posses the capability to perform to the implied specifications with or without that $60/mo.

Wait until you find out about binning or software limited engines

Binning is completely different, an i5 may be able to perform as fast an i7 if you overclock it, but it depends on your luck on how your i5 was, and it will almost certainly be unstable. Binning is the equivalent of making really fancy chocolates, and selling the slightly worse-looking chocolates for worse.

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Post by givemeethekeys »

aeturnum wrote: post #369

Oh - this seems fine to me? If I have to pick between a world where a company makes four different models of car with actual different components, and a world where a company makes one car with DRM - the DRM world just seems better in general? I think it should be legally required to offer a fully functional un-DRM'ed car for the "full" price, but I would much rather buy the premium model and be able to unlock its fe…

That would be a boring world and will never exist without heavy government support.

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Post by burnished »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #70
horsawlarway wrote: post #38

I want to see this legislated out of existence. To be clear, because every time this comes up some dickfucks come in here and start making excuses about how it's better to rent in some cases and that this is just amortizing the whole payment, and there are some people who want this: No. This is a fucking terrible deal even just using mercedes numbers. It takes a whopping 30 months (2.5 years) for the monthly payment…

These complaints remind me of complaints I've heard about "day one" DLC (DownLoadable Content) in video games. For those unfamiliar, it's content which is available in the game upon its release but you have to pay extra for it. Sometimes, players are given the option to buy the Ultra Digital Deluxe Collector's Edition which comes with the DLC and "exclusive" shit (and also costs extra). If it's not rent seeking, it's…

Seeing this as a problem with personal responsibility misses that the problem is structural. Culture as expressed through individual choices works great for many situations, but it does not fix broken dynamics.

Besides, if you want to apply that axe put it against the people making those decisions to conduct business in that fashion. If your first thought is that it doesn't make sense to because then that person will be outcompeted then consider that it makes even less sense to hold people with zero agency in that decision responsible.

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Post by FpUser »

Not that I own Mercedes (car for me is just bring me from A to B) but I would never pay rent for the things I buy. They want to sell 2 different models - sure. They want to offer car lease - be my guest. They want to graze on me - fuck you.

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Post by [deleted] »

notnotjake wrote: post #102
foxyv wrote: post #100

The best EV is an electric bus with trolley lines or a tram. I hate that I have to own a monstrous depreciating asset to have reliable transportation. If you think people are buying this to drive on a track you are naive. They are paying $60/month to make their already unsafe overweight vehicle even more unsafe. I hope they go bankrupt.

tram will never come to the farm land. cars seem useful in low-density, very spread out regions.

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