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Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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This comment section is nuts. Obviously don’t jeopardize an offer by trying to push your exit back. Duh. But if you are already quitting, and you’re not immediately starting another job, why not extend your departure date? Best case they send you home day 1 but respect your effective date. Worst case they send you home day 1 and stop paying you immediately. So if you push it out maybe you get a few extra paychecks. A…

Maybe, I’m quitting for a reason more than just money.

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

#372

I've done this many times, I know for a fact that almost NONE of the prep work, training, file organization, email handoffs, exit/handoff plans, and so on...were ever used except to allow somebody to make excuses on their 'delays' in the first few months after I left. I've also worked in industries for many years, and was told this line about 'leaving on good terms'. Honestly though, you could just about nearly commi…

> And you'll almost never meet ICs again, so why are you bothering to 'leaving on good terms'. Its a fantasy. Grab names and emails on the way out, though, might be handy.

If you only want to be an IC forever sure who cares?

If you want to found a company/lead teams, those people are the network you’ll bring to your next gig. Why fuck them over?

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

#373

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Two of my friends did this and were immediately terminated and ushered out of the building by security. Both were very large companies in the US.

When their former colleagues found out what happened, didn't that cause them to think "I guess I'll give zero notice when I leave"? I would think this would be a net loss for most companies, due to the predictable effect it would have on subsequent departures/handoffs.

If their policy is already to immediately terminate then does it make a difference whether they get advanced notice or not?

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d guess most people, in the US at least, are employed at-will and could be fired right on the spot with no cause given. The problem with that though is you could turn around and file for unemployment which might end up increasing the associated taxes for them with increased headaches. I’d agree that most reasonable HR departments wouldn’t let it go that far but some people like to play dirty irrespective of the cos…

How can it increase taxes? Unemployment is funded by payroll taxes that are fixed and non-negotiable.

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Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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some of these reasons are quite contrary to my experience:

   Do only the parts of your job you enjoy the most
Being asked to create documents, tutorials and presentations on all aspects of your job, and endless handoff meeting is pretty much the least enjoyable.

   Take unused vacation time
wait, giving notice and then scheduling vacation during your notice period?! I think that would be poorly received and raise a lot of eyebrows

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

#377

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US person here who has participated in a lot of online advice/mentoring forums. I've never once seen a tech company immediately "fire" someone who says they're resigning like the parent comment claims. The only exceptions I can think of were when people gave multiple months of notice that they were going to quit and already had declining performance due to e.g. unhappiness about the job. If you're not performing well…

I think this MIGHT work at a lot of smaller companies, but BIG tech companies tend to have a policy that you are a security risk as soon as you admit you're quitting. I suppose that falls under the umbrella of "working for a competitor" If you work for Microsoft (for example) pretty much EVERY tech company is a competitor of theirs because they have soooo many products and services. I saw this happen multiple times.…

As someone who has recently left a big tech company for a direct competitor to the team I was in, in Europe, even the big tech companies often don't do this.

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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post #297

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"What does that even mean?" It means you get 15 paid days a year to be sick. Beyond that, you have a certain number by law (I think 60) which you can take unpaid without risk of being fired. After that, sickness is theoretically grounds for termination, but very few large employers would do that because of the bad publicity. Also most IT workers here have long-term disability insurance for 'free' from their employers…

It is purely for the benefit of the employer. You can always negotiate a shorter or asymmetric notice period. There does not appear to be any relation between "flexibility" (at-will employment so companies can abuse you) and unemployment rates. Japan has 3% unemployment and stronger labor protections than Europe.

You could do a study with a lot more data points than that to see if there's a correlation. Which someone has, and there is: "Overall the results of the paper suggest that policies that enhance labor market flexibility should reduce unemployment."

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2012/wp1264.pdf

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

#379

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No it’s not valid in Sweden (or anywhere else). The date at which your resignation starts to count is the date that your employer learns of your intent to leave. You are however free to agree on an arbitrary date with them as your last day. It’s not the date you put in the letterhead. That would be insane.

> It’s not the date you put in the letterhead. That would be insane. Clarification: I put in the body of the letter the effective date I will be leaving. Something like: "My final day will be December 12, 2018." The date in the letterhead has nothing to do with it.

If you're really mistrusting of your employer, you may not want to give them proof you notified them earlier.

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d guess most people, in the US at least, are employed at-will and could be fired right on the spot with no cause given. The problem with that though is you could turn around and file for unemployment which might end up increasing the associated taxes for them with increased headaches. I’d agree that most reasonable HR departments wouldn’t let it go that far but some people like to play dirty irrespective of the cos…

How can it increase taxes? Unemployment is funded by payroll taxes that are fixed and non-negotiable.

The short answer is that unemployment claims increase the amount a company has to pay in during future years. https://unemployment-services.com/unemployment-claim-cost-em...
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