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Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by cylinder »

notamy wrote: post #289
kodisha wrote: post #267

I am very spoiled by living in one of the European capitals. It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. I visit SF at least once a year, and default to my learned habit of walking alone, and later at night. No more.

> It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. A small point about language, in case you or anyone else didn't know: In English, it sounds weird to use "female" as a noun to refer to people. If, in that sentence, you would replace "female"/"females" with a word like "man"/"men," then you probably want to be using "woman"/"women" instead of "females." Using "f…

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by short_sells_poo »

joemazerino wrote: post #361

I have commented on SF threads before regarding the violent crime. I don't think we have figured out if this was premeditated or not, but either way, SF is becoming incredibly dangerous. Progressive DA's and a neutered police force are to blame for the rise in violent crime. Many of my friends have taken their remote gigs and left SF in the last 3 years. What's the point in rolling the dice every time you walk outsid…

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by amrocha »

martin_a wrote: post #103

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

Arresting people doesn't address the reason they committing crimes in the first place. The issue is poverty and wealth inequality.

The truth is tech ruined the city. SF used to be a city of misfits, who don't usually have high income. Tech workers started flooding the city, drove up rents, and these misfits ended up homeless. Once you're homeless it's a struggle, some get back on their feet but some start abusing drugs. Government support programs are terribly run, so nobody uses them. Let the situation go on for a few years and you get SF.

It's not just SF though, it's any city in North America that has had booming rents the past couple decades. Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, SF.

If you look at Tokyo, rents are low and jobs are plentiful. The biggest city in the world has less than 4000 homeless people living in it.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by nonethewiser »

lucideer wrote: post #296
kodisha wrote: post #267

I am very spoiled by living in one of the European capitals. It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. I visit SF at least once a year, and default to my learned habit of walking alone, and later at night. No more.

I live in "one of the European capitals". It is super safe here, but there are still stabbings. The crime-rate is also enormously variable between European cities. > No more. Changing your habits based on a single event isn't particularly rational. If this were a comparative articles on SF crime-rates you might have a good point, but it isn't. And I say this having had a shooting happen on the street outside my hotel…

Well every murder is “just” 1 event.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

isaacremuant wrote: post #273
kodisha wrote: post #267

I am very spoiled by living in one of the European capitals. It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. I visit SF at least once a year, and default to my learned habit of walking alone, and later at night. No more.

I never understand why people feel like they can make such generalizing statements as "One of the European capitals". Europe is not a monolith. Different areas also have different problems. It's like the whole talk about "walkable cities" or healthcare. Everything is frame from a US perspective and simplified to an absurd level so that no contextual criticism is possible without descending into weird political tribal…

> Europe is not a monolith.

When it's about homicide rates, it kinda is though.

> Different areas also have different problems.

It's rarely violence at the level you see in an American city.

> It's like the whole talk about "walkable cities" or healthcare.

Yeah, I feel it for you, but it's mostly true. With rare exceptions.

While in the US it's mostly false, with rare exceptions.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by drummojg »

short_sells_poo wrote: post #372
joemazerino wrote: post #361

I have commented on SF threads before regarding the violent crime. I don't think we have figured out if this was premeditated or not, but either way, SF is becoming incredibly dangerous. Progressive DA's and a neutered police force are to blame for the rise in violent crime. Many of my friends have taken their remote gigs and left SF in the last 3 years. What's the point in rolling the dice every time you walk outsid…

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I love this debate and I expect it will go on forever. It boils down to, A: "California's problems are because California is too California!" "B: Nooo, we have not yet begun to California! If we California harder we can solve all the problems!"

Submitted with humor and best regards.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by dpflan »

short_sells_poo wrote: post #372
joemazerino wrote: post #361

I have commented on SF threads before regarding the violent crime. I don't think we have figured out if this was premeditated or not, but either way, SF is becoming incredibly dangerous. Progressive DA's and a neutered police force are to blame for the rise in violent crime. Many of my friends have taken their remote gigs and left SF in the last 3 years. What's the point in rolling the dice every time you walk outsid…

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I thought Benioff was solving the homelessness problem... /s

But yes, agreed, societal support for others has been strategically dismantled (federal and state-level) and abuses the marketing of the "American Dream" as mechanism for allowed greed and selfishness.

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Post by strken »

notamy wrote: post #289
kodisha wrote: post #267

I am very spoiled by living in one of the European capitals. It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. I visit SF at least once a year, and default to my learned habit of walking alone, and later at night. No more.

> It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. A small point about language, in case you or anyone else didn't know: In English, it sounds weird to use "female" as a noun to refer to people. If, in that sentence, you would replace "female"/"females" with a word like "man"/"men," then you probably want to be using "woman"/"women" instead of "females." Using "f…

Saying males or females is putting emotional distance between you and the subject. One possible reason for creating that distance might be to dehumanise, but it's far from the only reason, as you presumably know quite well.

If you or anyone else didn't know, consider a police report or a research paper in which the language is deliberately distant to avoid biasing the reader: "The two female victims were struck by the SUV, and the male suspect fled on foot", "we observed higher rates of CVD for males in the treatment group, but in females the effect size was not significant", and equally bloodless language. This may be dehumanising in some sense, but it's done in a benign way to help the reader be objective.

It's easy for a non-native speaker to make a mistake in informal language after reading formal material like the aforementioned, and it might not be great to call out minor breaches of etiquette in such a targeted and public way.

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Post by fluidcruft »

joemazerino wrote: post #361

I have commented on SF threads before regarding the violent crime. I don't think we have figured out if this was premeditated or not, but either way, SF is becoming incredibly dangerous. Progressive DA's and a neutered police force are to blame for the rise in violent crime. Many of my friends have taken their remote gigs and left SF in the last 3 years. What's the point in rolling the dice every time you walk outsid…

Have deaths as a result of police violence decreased?

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

alistairSH wrote: post #317
LegNeato wrote: post #270

My family has lived in SF since the 1800s. I recently moved because it has gotten so bad. I hate what the government has done to my city.

If by “government”, you mean “citizens”, then sure. But we elect the government and can toss them out next election cycle.

Am I missing something? I live in the midwest, so I might be. From here, San Francisco seems so deeply liberal and Democratic, that even if you would change out the entire local government, you'd get similarly-minded people right back, and nothing would change. I'm also middle-aged, and seen this argument before. No matter how bad things get in, say, Chicago or Detroit, "citizens" have never flipped a deeply-Democratic city, nor implemented significant changes to the systemic policies that have led to their situations. For decades, I've watched from afar as people argue about SF's housing policies, which I think are ultimately responsible for almost all the problems there. Is there ANY hope that the local government would risk losing an iota of existing property value by making policies to significantly expand housing?
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