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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by Thaxll »

slowmotiony wrote: post #274
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

Electronics prices in the EU are simply crazy. Recently i wanted to get a small mini-PC that would be energy efficient and I could run some AI experiments on. Reading online forums, everyone's like "just get a mac mini, couple hundred bucks and you're golden". I check the apple website and turns out they actually cost almost a thousand euro for the 16GB/256GB model. But its the same with a lot of other electronics to…

It's not just EU it's anything beside US. Canada / Australia UK don't get US prices either.

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Post by graeme »

oblio wrote: post #286
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outside of Peter Zeihan, I'm also utterly surprised that no one even brings up the demographics debate. Everyone has been so indoctrinated on the "we have too many people" propaganda that they haven't even realized how fast birth rates have dropped across the globe (and they're dropping even faster now). The demographics of Europe, China, Japan and S. Korea are all terminal at this point. Outside of UK, France, and t…

> America, meanwhile, has decent native birth rate No, it doesn't. It's about 1.8 and dropping, and most of the higher values in that group are from recent immigrants, which are also having fewer kids. Educated folks also have lower fertility rates. The US is basically a mirror of Western Europe in this regard: https://www.statista.com/statistics/226292/us-fertility-rate... > AND a culture that's always willing to ac…

>No, it doesn't. It's about 1.8 and dropping

The OECD average is 1.67. America has a relative advantage

Here's a dataset of various countries' fertility rates: https://splash-db.eu/dataset/population-indicators/

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Post by [deleted] »

detaro wrote: post #353
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #336

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> mac air is a luxury item 8GB of Ram is luxury? Rolls Royce is luxury. Luxury means status. A gold plated car is luxury ( for some). It's a whole different league. Macbooks used to be premium - better performance, better experience. Limited storage is not premium. If Porshe releases a car with 30 horsepower, and asks for £100,000, we have a word for that. A joke.

A 30hp Ferrari for 100k would still be a luxury item, very much so, assuming there'd be people that want them (which there clearly are for macbooks). Luxury doesn't mean "the best" or even "good".

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Post by HDThoreaun »

f6v wrote: post #201
hankchinaski wrote: post #12

The only way I buy new MacBooks now is I try to keep it as long as possible as upgrade only to the oldest and cheapest available model. Last time I bought a m1 Mac air for a bargain price. That’s the only way I’m getting real value. The newest models are simply overpriced. Until they launch something new and discount the current models to a decent price. Same goes for iphones

> The newest models are simply overpriced. They are expensive, but in the same range as other manufacturers in the similar segment. It’s just that Apple doesn’t make a cheap laptop, unlike Lenovos and HPs.

No they're not. No one else is selling 8gb ram/256 gb ssd for $1300.

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Post by somehnguy »

izacus wrote: post #298
dymk wrote: post #254

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What comparable would you buy in place of a MBP?

I ended up getting a Samsung Galaxy Book 2 Pro, which was significantly cheaper in my market and comes with a gorgeous OLED screen. But, of course, the situation varies between market and time since there's significant pricing differences.

While it is OLED, it's also unfortunately only 1080P resolution. When I was comparison shopping before picking up my MBP the displays were always the sticking point - tons of great specced laptops with disappointing screens compared to what Apple offers.

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Post by giantrobot »

swedishfishes wrote: post #232
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #186

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Fair, but Sweden's population is just too small to make any meaningful impact on Europe as a whole.

For the curious Americans, Sweden has about the population of Michigan.

How many Rhode Island's is that? Or maybe more appropriately, how many Library of Congresses?

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Post by airstrike »

varispeed wrote: post #360
fastaguy88 wrote: post #344

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They should have said: "Just get a used Mac Mini". You can literally get them from macsales.com for less than $100. The intel machines have not gotten much faster, but their prices have dropped dramatically.

You can't. There is only 1 Mac Mini available with M1 CPU and it only has 8GB RAM - that's for $499 and if you add shipping to Europe and tax, probably it will work out closer to $1000 than $499.

Ain't no way shipping and taxes equal 100% of the product's price

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Post by gaoshan »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

I'm still rocking a maxed out MacBook Pro from 2013. The battery IS shot but plugged in and connected to a monitor it still gets the job done as a home machine.

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Post by CyanBird »

factorialboy wrote: post #328
LoveMortuus wrote: post #310

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Technically correct, but I doubt salaries followed the inflation, so for most of people, it's just more expensive. :/

@ajross, money printing leads to inflation, not salary growth.

Why make verifiably false statements like this?

>...

> It isn’t clear that increasing interest rates will have any impact on lowering prices. The nascent resurgence in inflation being experienced across the world is primarily still due to supply chain disruptions. The mechanism by which rising interest rates are supposed to impact inflation is essentially by increasing unemployment, which weakens workers’ bargaining power and thus slows wage growth. But lowering wage growth won’t do anything to address supply side constraints or energy shortages, which are a driver of ‘cost-push’ rather than ‘demand-pull’ inflation.

> ...

> The trade-off for policy makers between creating jobs and wage growth, while simultaneously controlling inflation, goes back to a 1958 paper by economist William Phillips on the relationship between ‘Unemployment and the Rate of Change of Money Wage Rates in the United Kingdom, 1861-1957’, which became a cornerstone of macroeconomics. The paper identified the correlation between lower unemployment with higher inflation and vice-versa (see Figure 2).

The explanation for this relationship was that as unemployment decreased the ability of workers to bid for higher wages increased due to less competition in the labour market. Higher wages mean more income to spend on goods and services, which leads to prices going up. This is bad for net creditors and net savers, because the inflation cancels out the interest on savings. By contrast, workers and net borrowers benefit from rising wages and prices, as it allows them to pay off their debt more quickly, which is depreciating in real terms relative to their income.

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/11/bank-of-england-rishi-sunak...

Inflation is multifactorial, different types of disruption to the economic web cause different effects on it, the article then goes on to mention the overall lower wages on US and UK post Reagan Thatcher as case study for how labor and wage growth changes inflation rates

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Post by 0xDEF »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #74
pigsty wrote: post #30

The dollar is insanely strong right now and global Mac prices raised in accordance with that. In places that don’t use USD, prices shot up by tens of percent overnight while the US prices are the same as ever. Japan, for example, got a price increase of about 40% on all items. Unsurprisingly, sales declined.

> The dollar is insanely strong right now This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous ind…

>The recent BRICS currency

It's important to not paint BRICS as an actual political entity. It literally started as an investment term made up by Goldman Sachs.

Especially India has its own problems with China and China's Israel (Pakistan).

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