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Post by kuschku »

Snuupy wrote: post #294
kuschku wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> DPI scaling hackery Under X11 with KDE, or under Windows, that's no problem whatsoever. 144dpi isn't any more hacky than 96dpi or 192dpi. It's only macOS, Gnome and Wayland that require 1x or 2x scaling (which is absolutely mind-bogglingly ridiculous, and anyone that contributed to that or encouraged that should be banned from ever touching UI code again).

For a trivial use case, try attaching a 1080p monitor to a 1440p laptop and open Microsoft word or task manager. Text will be blurry.

I've got a 3840x2160 and a 1024x1280 (yes, portrait) monitors under windows. The first one at 144dpi, the second at 96dpi. The first at 10-bit 600 nits DCI-P3, the second at 8-bit 300 nits sRGB. Works just fine.

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Post by rjh29 »

imiric wrote: post #40
tbrock wrote: post #27

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I want framework to succeed and they are targeting folks who want sleek and customizable computers (which they’ve nailed) but compared to a thinkpad the build quality isn’t great.

To be fair, ThinkPad quality from Lenovo doesn't come close to what it was when IBM was making them. I've had everything from screen backlight bleed, to coil whine, to recently, key caps popping off and switches breaking. This is on top-of-the-line models. At the end of the day, it's just plastic. Nice plastic, but plastic, nonetheless. After decades of sticking exclusively to ThinkPads, these new Frameworks look ver…

Same here, both X1 Carbon and T14s have had keyboard problems after 3 years or so, yet they keep making them thinner and worse to use. Lenovo seem determined to destroy the ThinkPad's best feature.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by rjh29 »

Leimi wrote: post #29
komadori wrote: post #8

I hope it's possible to fit a pointing stick (TrackPoint) keyboard within that 3.7mm, and that someone first- or third-party makes one. I'm keen to try replacing my ThinkPad with a Framework as soon as that's available, but not before.

Sadly I feel like trackpoints are really end of life and I wouldn't be surprised if Lenovo ditched them entirely soon. It seems they keep it only to please the tiny but vocal minority of tinkerers that we are. But we mostly buy old, second hand thinkpads. And as keyboards get thinner, trackpoints lose in quality. On linux it seems the software side is also not as good as before with libinput. So I'd be really surpris…

FWIW Lenovo has promised they won't remove them.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-promises-TrackPoint-wil...

They removed it from the ThinkPad X1 Fold and got enough negative feedback that it was reintroduced in the ThinkPad X1 Fold 16.

What wouldn't surprise me is that they fuck up the trackpoint (e.g. by making it thinner). The Z16 laptop has a newer TrackPoint without dedicated keys, for example, and the newer T14s have flat keys.

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Post by urza »

nrp wrote: post #167
dakial1 wrote: post #87

I wonder if there is a market for a framework gaming laptop. Really hope there is. Also, on another note, I've read this engadget article about how other companies tried to build an upgradeable laptop and failed but I see Framework as a different kind of beast for one simple reason. This is their only value proposition, they don't have an alternative. In a very "Innovator's Dilemma" kind of. way, Dell and other big m…

We’ve been very deliberate about making this not a traditional gaming laptop, but a laptop that can be configured with enough performance to play intense games. You can configure it without the Graphics Module and have a high-performance 16” notebook with reconfigurable input and easy repairability and upgradeabilty.

Will third parties be able to create custom keyboards that plug in? I mean something like 36-keebs, e.g. Corne and similar keyboards?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ErgoMechKeyboards/comments/skf2sx/l...

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Post by archon810 »

panick21_ wrote: post #104

One of my favorite things for keyboards is the ThinkPad feature where the Page Up and Page Down is above the Left and Right key. I don't understand why others don't do this, its so practical. Specially in cases like this, there is just an empty space there. Why not put 2 more keys? ThinkPad also makes them full sized keys, that would be even better. But just having empty space? Why?

Same, I refuse to get any laptop without a sensible home, end, page up, page down key layout.

This means all of my laptops are usually Lenovos.

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Post by dakial1 »

afavour wrote: post #112
dakial1 wrote: post #87

I wonder if there is a market for a framework gaming laptop. Really hope there is. Also, on another note, I've read this engadget article about how other companies tried to build an upgradeable laptop and failed but I see Framework as a different kind of beast for one simple reason. This is their only value proposition, they don't have an alternative. In a very "Innovator's Dilemma" kind of. way, Dell and other big m…

I’d be surprised if there was a market for a Framework laptop dedicated to gaming but I am really intrigued by a Framework laptop that can game. I use my laptop for my work software engineering but since the pandemic have gotten back into gaming a little. I’m on an old Xbox and it’s showing its age but I don’t game enough to justify buying a whole gaming PC. If I can plug a GPU into my work machine and play some game…

I have the Steam Deck, I mean, I had it, because I'm waiting for the RMA because mine had a nasty bug which capped either CPU or GPU at a low level. And this is my message to you: Beware it is pretty much a beta product, so buy it with this in mind. You will experience lot of bugs and troubleshooting, specially if you want to use it outside Steam's box (custom mods, emulator's etc).

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Post by JoshTriplett »

kmeisthax wrote: post #366
JoshTriplett wrote: post #344

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Thank you for the detailed comment! You'd definitely need a smart hub chip, yeah. But I don't think you need all the altmodes. No analog audio, for instance. Primarily Thunderbolt, and power. I'm interested in the volume question; what makes USB-A and USB-C unable to both physically fit in the space no matter how creative you get?

The footprint of the receptacle is wider than the actual plug that goes into it, by a significant amount. It only looks like it'll fit from the outside. Analog audio was just me being exhaustive, I'm pretty sure none of Intel's chips support that altmode natively. Hell, only like half of the market of USB-C phones support it, which makes it mildly cursed.

> The footprint of the receptacle is wider than the actual plug that goes into it, by a significant amount. It only looks like it'll fit from the outside.

To what degree is it impossible, and to what degree is it challenging? I've seen the internal side of a USB-A port, and while it's slightly larger, it doesn't seem excessively so.

(Also, as an aside, I do wish that Framework had made the two expansion slots on each side adjacent and allowed for double cards that take up both slots. Two USB-A and one USB-C in one double-bay, for instance.)

> Analog audio was just me being exhaustive, I'm pretty sure none of Intel's chips support that altmode natively. Hell, only like half of the market of USB-C phones support it, which makes it mildly cursed.

Yeah, it's cursed that there exist USB-C-to-headphone-jack cables that physically plug into a laptop but will never work.

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