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AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by nomel »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #235
RockyMcNuts wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sometimes you can't have nice things because there are people who will abuse them. there are actual Nazis out there who want to put people in ovens, so it's taboo to make jokes about how they may have a point. similar thing with trans people, you mention them and trolls come out of the woodwork saying they should kill themselves. there are a lot of horrible people and trollish behaviors online, and sometimes the only…

Let us not forget certain fascists who claimed they’d outlaw all trans people and force them to detransition. Let us not forget how many trans people have died at the hands of bigots.

Please make discussion possible by giving specifics rather than using unnecessary secretive terms like “certain people” and “they”.

Forcing people to guess should be avoided, especially since not everyone is where you’re from. Links to examples are also helpful.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by ben_w »

timr wrote: post #261
ben_w wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always have to look up if it was Socrates or Plato who got sentenced to death for simultaneously being an atheist and worshiping new gods his city didn't recognise. Point is, you may not like it, but merely being cancelled rather than straight up executed is why we live in the good times. (And whatever the merits and demerits of unrestricted free speech, a machine that isn't deemed capable of personhood shouldn't g…

> merely being cancelled rather than straight up executed is why we live in the good times. Yes, "literally anything less than execution is OK" is the standard we should uphold for public discourse. This is like a joke that starts with "be grateful, comrade..."

Being cancelled is the smallest possible increment I am aware of over being heckled.

It is the necessary other side of the same coin as freedom of speech, otherwise you end up with the literal Republican party being legally obligated to let the literal Communist Party of the USA (not a euphemism for the Democrats) lecture them during their Primaries.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by libraryatnight »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219
twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

I don't feel like I lose anything by not making a trans jokes. Were I a person in the public eye, I'd choose not to make a trans joke not because I'm afraid of backlash, I'd choose not to make it because I'm living through the time when these people are fighting for a seat at an already uneven and shaky table and it just seems unnecessary. I work with some trans people and they have excellent humor about themselves when the humor isn't intended to imply they're an impossibility or a grotesque.

In the case of my in-laws, none of them had trans people on the brain until Tucker Carlson told them they couldn't make trans jokes or some invisible mafia would get them, and now they seem to feel their life just isn't complete if they can't tease trans people.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by yazzku »

mFixman wrote: post #121

Everybody seems up in arms about this situation, but I find the whole thing hilarious. After half a decade of AI hype without many uses in the wild, we finally live at a point in history where "AI-generated Jerry Seinfeld makes transphobic joke, gets cancelled" is not an Onion headline.

Somebody should try this again but with George Carlin.

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Post by fallingknife »

_cenw wrote: post #285
mrozbarry wrote: post #269

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I think this is a perfect summation of the issue. Not allowing public discourse will always result in entrenche, extreme, and polarizing views.

As an affected individual: Public discourse on this issue is plentiful and, unfortunately, usually full of wrong information, misconceptions and "my favorite scientist said otherwise" (probably on the JRE, against a dozen or so professional medical associations) gotchas from exterminationist groups that get invited on to have a "balanced" conversation. Transgender people do not have large political or economic impact…

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by influx »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219
twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Gilbert Godfrey famously made a 9/11 joke that “bombed” on September 29, 2001.

If you eliminate all comedy that offends someone, there won’t be much left to laugh about.

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Post by jjk166 »

thatswrong0 wrote: post #290
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a society we shouldn't tolerate the intolerant, those who seek every excuse to vilify and target minorities. FYI, certain prominent political leaders said they’d outlaw certain minorities and make the lives of people living hell. Personally i am not fond of seeing friends and family suffer at the hand of fascists. @Dang, since when is paraphrasing Popper and restating the statements of people without a sliver of m…

The problem I'm seeing is that with some regularity, people are being designated as "intolerant" for simply asking questions, deviating slightly from the most up-to-date acceptable opinion, or just not keeping up with what is the correct opinion to have now. Applying nuance and assuming that others _might_ have good intentions isn't really in vogue.

> Applying nuance and assuming that others _might_ have good intentions isn't really in vogue.

Because the internet's been around for more than a minute and everyone knows you can't give people the benefit of the doubt on these platforms. If you genuinely wish to learn, there are plenty of socially acceptable ways to do so. It's like urinating - everybody does it, but everybody also knows there are places it's socially unacceptable to do it.

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Post by Levitz »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #235
RockyMcNuts wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sometimes you can't have nice things because there are people who will abuse them. there are actual Nazis out there who want to put people in ovens, so it's taboo to make jokes about how they may have a point. similar thing with trans people, you mention them and trolls come out of the woodwork saying they should kill themselves. there are a lot of horrible people and trollish behaviors online, and sometimes the only…

Let us not forget certain fascists who claimed they’d outlaw all trans people and force them to detransition. Let us not forget how many trans people have died at the hands of bigots.

There is a certain irony to decrying attacks on trans ideology dogma as "fascism" while defending censorship.

It is not through silence and imposition that healthy social order changes. Demands are made while little public discourse has even taken place and the more friction that creates the more those demanding feel vindicated, the more rejection fosters.

It seems like rather than changing hearts, the trans movement decided it was in the right and set itself to impart justice, whether the public understands it or not. Not quite fascistic, definitely totalitarian, that makes it way closer to actual fascism than anything that is often pointed as such though. Shame.

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Post by loa_in_ »

gregsadetsky wrote: post #19

Explanation from their Discord (more info/links below) “Earlier tonight, we started having an outage using OpenAI’s GPT-3 Davinci model, which caused the show to exhibit errant behaviors (you may have seen empty rooms cycling through). OpenAI has a less sophisticated model, Curie, that was the predecessor to Davinci. When davinci started failing, we switched over to Curie to try to keep the show running without any d…

I like how the most "additional quoted" and "explained" reason has absolutely no merit because there's no automatic fallback between models. It only falls back to older model if you program it to.
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