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Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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I kind of feel they should be. I cannot remember what their last major customer-facing AI product launch after Google Assistant. Sure there is AI in photo tuning and many interesting features for the Pixel phone, and there is Gmail autocomplete but I remember I used to really following every Google product launch when I was a kid: there is Google Reader, Google Drive launch in those days. That excitement was kind of…

Google Assistant was launched 6 years ago. Probably the most AI that Google has inflicted upon the general public since then is Waymo One. Other recent launches include the thing that automatically fills in your formulas in Google Sheets. Also DeepMind's WaveNet text-to-speech. Then there's fancy stuff like Project Relate that will train a speech-to-text model individually for disabled users[1].

But mostly the ML stuff is silently launched behind the scenes. And you slowly become inured to astonishing feats of machine learning like being able to translate spoken Chinese to English text on your mobile, and cars that drive themselves, and the fact that you can search your photos for "toy lizard" and that actually works.

Edited to add: with regard to the idea that some competitor with an AI code generator will out-program Google as an organization, you should take note that Google has already deployed AI code generators in large-scale production. So whenever a future competitor re-invents this facility at that moment they are already years behind Google[2].

To summarize, I believe it is somewhat strange to believe that the organization with demonstrated state-of-the-art machine learning research and development will be caught unaware by the ML revolution.

1: https://impactchallenge.withgoogle.com/globalgoals/projects/...

2: https://ai.googleblog.com/2022/07/ml-enhanced-code-completio...

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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I moved off Spotify to escape AI. It was good at first, but I started to feel like I was being pushed into a rut with music, that I’d lost all autonomy when it came to finding new music for myself. I wonder if the novelty of a lot of consumer AI will wear off for others in the long run.

It's hard for me to move off Spotify because their API is far better for finding new music than anything else out there. I have some cron jobs running that generate new playlists every day with very specific targets (e.g. "min_instrumentalness" on a track) while still being random enough to have variety. If Spotify ever shuts down their API like how Twitter has done, then I'll move to something else.

I'm intrigued. Are you able to share these scripts?

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Forgot YouTube, which literally has no competitors.

Rumble, odyssey, rokfin, bitchute

Thanks for the list - I have not heard of any of these products. I would add vimeo to this list as well.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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ChatGPT would probably be a better search engine than google. ChatGPT and Reddit cover most of your info. What remains is shopping, but Amazon and even Instagram are better at that. Lastly, Google has no audience for creating awareness like fb / ig / tt

Amazon makes more on shopping ads than google now. You could say google is no longer in first position for shopping search. Reddit is chipping away the Q&A search, but time will tell if it has a similar downfall to quora/yahoo-answers. I’ve seen TikTok lead in educational search, cooking, gardening etc. TikTok could potentially overtake YouTube all together over next 5-10years. Google maps isn’t as far ahead as it on…

I think Google Maps is already losing. I was a faithful user since it came out. Game Apple Maps a few tries but always went back.

The past couple of years Google maps has gotten more glitchy, given worse directions, and most recently started showing extreme lag. Maps in CarPlay started falling behind real-time. First by a few seconds, then by minutes. Wasn’t sure if it was the car head unit, phone, reception or what.

Out of desperation I tried Apple Maps. Not only did it work flawlessly, but its driving prompts are greatly superior to Google maps.

I could go on about YouTube having broken bulk-publishing of videos (this for my son’s football and basketball games chopped up into indivuap videos).

It’s all horrible now.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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post #118

Seems like Google leadership is freaking out. Also sounds like they really believe the whole founder-hero mythology if they think that Page-Brin can save the company. I don’t know how Google could be saved but perhaps having grateful and happy employees that would just build things in their 20% time might have been a better strategy. A truly revolutionary step would have been to buck the layoffs trend. But of course…

Does this not reflect badly on Sundar?

To have this "surprise" freak-out catch them off guard? To bring in the old leadership so publicly?

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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post #326

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GSuite is either underpriced or underfeatured. Most real enterprise still happens on Office, and lots of consumers happy give Apple $100/year for iCloud. Cloud services - aren't they basically 3rd behind AMZN/MSFT now, by A LOT? They are basically competing for 3rd against IBM/Oracle/etc, and some quarters they are #4.

iCloud is funny because it's just storage and an e-mail address compared to GSuite which can be actually used to do a bunch of hobby level stuff. ChatGPT AI is overhyped, just like full self driving was five years ago. Yes, it can do stuff, write articles, code etc. until people realize that what it spits out is useful stuff mixed with made up gibberish and has to be checked by a human. It's going to be just great fo…

Does GSuite have Hide My Email?

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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> it’s hard to have a good idea for a personal project There was actually a 20% marketplace page, where projects seeking 20%-ers would advertise. It wasn't necessary to have an idea yourself.

Just guessing here but sounds like you had to have interest in someone else’s crappy/uninteresting idea, which likely was rare. It’s like those cofounder matching sites, most people have a crappy/uninteresting idea they want others to help them with. People without ideas go there and immediately turn away.

There certainly was some of that: dumb ideas that were going nowhere.

Also a lot of genuinely interesting projects had managers with no idea how they could use a 20%-er. Especially if they didn't really believe the person was reliable.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Google's monopolistic search business is seriously challenged for the first time. Good. We need more competition.

Not really, search is a solved problem, apart from the politics that eliminate search results. There really shouldn't be more than 2 search engines around.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Amazon makes more on shopping ads than google now. You could say google is no longer in first position for shopping search. Reddit is chipping away the Q&A search, but time will tell if it has a similar downfall to quora/yahoo-answers. I’ve seen TikTok lead in educational search, cooking, gardening etc. TikTok could potentially overtake YouTube all together over next 5-10years. Google maps isn’t as far ahead as it on…

I think Google Maps is already losing. I was a faithful user since it came out. Game Apple Maps a few tries but always went back. The past couple of years Google maps has gotten more glitchy, given worse directions, and most recently started showing extreme lag. Maps in CarPlay started falling behind real-time. First by a few seconds, then by minutes. Wasn’t sure if it was the car head unit, phone, reception or what.…

Google Maps is unequivocally the champion in terms of reviews, and this is what really matters when it comes to actually finding places to go.

Not just that, but it's directly monetizable because if the user journey starts with a Google Maps search query, e.g. "lunch near me", those first few results are worth real money.

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