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Post by cycrutchfield »

kennend3 wrote: post #221
cycrutchfield wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you care if your neighbor has guests stay over at their house?

I take it you have never experienced an AirBnB neighbour? The people behind me have done it a few times. How can i tell they had "guests" over? I find beer bottles, coke cans and garbage on MY property. There is the obvious noise from the late night "pool parties" as well. Normally people dont care what their neighbours do, but when it starts to impact others, people start to care.

How is that different from you being neighbors with somebody that hosts parties?

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Post by cycrutchfield »

seattle_spring wrote: post #282
cycrutchfield wrote: post #70

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Citation needed for the magnitude of Airbnb’s contribution to “ruining housing and rental markets”

You won't find one. The most cited article I've found shows that the most significant effect Airbnb has on rentals is a 0.5% rise in rental rates in Manhattan. It's not 0, but it's pretty damn close.

Yet my comment gets downvoted to oblivion because it questions the conclusion that everybody has jumped to

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Post by nextos »

omgomgomgomg wrote: post #337
seattle_spring wrote: post #246

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I’ve stayed in 100+ Airbnbs and literally never have paid or been asked to pay an extra fee. I have, however, been surprised several times by hotels charging an extra “resort fee” upon arrival.

I was inclined to say "speak for yourself", but then that would have been rude and your username indicates we are living half way across the planet. Things are different on this side of earth, rest assured. I have paid extra every single time. Further, there is always things like "parking available", but then either its not free of charge or always busy or its....public parkings. Same with internet access. Available,…

I have also found some Airbnb ads to be inaccurate.

Online descriptions and reviews should be more regulated.

Google, for instance, keeps removing legitimate reviews from myself and others regarding a builder that rented / sold houses with horrible snagging problems, e.g. bursting pipes and leaky roofs.

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Post by garof »

Is there any site that hosts reviews of properties outside of airbnb?

Maybe even something that verifies the trustworthiness of these reviews?

I haven’t checked but it might be against some rules, but if there is a link to it, it seems possible to have reviews/comments on the contents at that link. I guess Airbnb would be mad about this if it was counter to their interest, so there might be some liability for hosting.

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Post by wdb »

hackernewds wrote: post #294
robocat wrote: post #286

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They clearly meant a surprise fee, from context. The AirBnB cleaning fee is expected and already included in your bill. Edit: top context is “That is against AirBnB rules” and “refunded” i.e. AirBnB has explicit rules against surprise fees or bonds, and it can enforce rules. I am guessing you just responded quickly but it is always good to spend time to try to “Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation…

I think you're guilty of what you're accusing the responder with. The exorbitance of a $200+ cleaning fee is a well-known criticism of Airbnb. And no, not until recently could you see the actual total prior to sunken cost of Reviewing your booking. That too, Airbnb finally implemented once the Biden administration compelled them by law - that is, not before making much fanfare about it with the pretense of them "doin…

$200 cleaning fee? How big are the houses you stay in?

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Post by wdb »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #347
irjustin wrote: post #208

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To be fair, gamifcation of reviews is a very real problem. There's no good answer to this. Anyone that allows/relies on direct consumer feedback is at risk for one of the hardest problems that exist. Personally, I want to know people's great and real experiences, or terrible ones, who wouldn't!? But, once you tie it to money, it's over.

> To be fair, gamifcation of reviews is a very real problem. I wonder if "tipping" could improve things. A new platform like airbnb could have an expected tip built in to the platform. Hosts are expected to provide good service and get a tip. Customers are encouraged to tip at the end of their stay (with a lower base price than airbnb to account for that). Hosts can see the average, median, max, and min tips of poten…

Do you then also get ran after you when you don't leave a tip on top of the service fee the restaurant charges? Pretty crazy experience that was in the USA

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Post by sfmike »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #347
irjustin wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, gamifcation of reviews is a very real problem. There's no good answer to this. Anyone that allows/relies on direct consumer feedback is at risk for one of the hardest problems that exist. Personally, I want to know people's great and real experiences, or terrible ones, who wouldn't!? But, once you tie it to money, it's over.

> To be fair, gamifcation of reviews is a very real problem. I wonder if "tipping" could improve things. A new platform like airbnb could have an expected tip built in to the platform. Hosts are expected to provide good service and get a tip. Customers are encouraged to tip at the end of their stay (with a lower base price than airbnb to account for that). Hosts can see the average, median, max, and min tips of poten…

Last thing we need is more adoption of tipping which leads to oassive aggressiveness around the event

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Post by jacurtis »

Shorel wrote: post #316
spacemadness wrote: post #222

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This is why I went back to hotels. Airbnb is a scummy company and can’t seem to survive without out of control “gotcha” fees added by either itself or its hosts which now make many hotels cheaper. I also am not obligated to do work for the host with a hotel. Some of the hosts have become super entitled over the years due to Airbnbs policies. It’s a shame as using Airbnb was an excellent experience when it first began…

It forced hotels to have more competitive prices. Honestly, there was not much else it could do in the long term.

This is sort of a funny argument. I promise that AirBNB prices have no impact or influence on hotel prices. It is generally the opposite, AirBnB rates are often influenced by the prices of surrounding hotels.

The number of travelers staying at an Airbnb versus a hotel is under 1%. This is clear by looking at overall inventory available. Even a decent market _might_ have 100 AirBnB listings, that same market will have several thousands (possible 10,000+) of hotel rooms.

Generally the opposite is true. AirBnb hosts will justify their nightly rate based on comparable hotels in the area. But the average Marriot for example isn't all that worried about the handful of AirBnbs nearby that they might be losing customers to.

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Post by jacurtis »

suzzer99 wrote: post #304
spacemadness wrote: post #222

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This is why I went back to hotels. Airbnb is a scummy company and can’t seem to survive without out of control “gotcha” fees added by either itself or its hosts which now make many hotels cheaper. I also am not obligated to do work for the host with a hotel. Some of the hosts have become super entitled over the years due to Airbnbs policies. It’s a shame as using Airbnb was an excellent experience when it first began…

The latest scam is having to pay either a $1500 deposit, or $59 "deposit insurance", which I assume the host gets some kickback on. I know I'm not going to trash the place. But I also don't like just putting $1500 out there either. A deposit that high only exists so someone can make money off the deposit insurance.

I was already losing satisfaction in AirBnb but have been open to it if traveling companions were into it. But the nail in the coffin is these deposits. The last few AirBnBs that I have vetted have had these $1,000+ deposits. There was even one I found that had $2,500 deposit (granted it was a large house).

I can stay at a 5 star hotel for a $50 deposit on my credit card. I'll just do that instead. Like you said, its not even really about tying up the money either. I would put this on my AMEX which has no credit limit, so tying up $1,500 isn't really the problem, its the need to authorize a host that I don't personally trust to be able to make any claim they want to justify keeping part of that deposit. I have much more trust in Marriott or Hilton and they only need $50. In all the traveling I've done, I've never had them refuse to release a deposit in full. By contrast, I've met enough crazy AirBnb hosts, that i wouldn't trust them with $100, let along $2,500.

Cleaning fees are also ridiculous. I've seen a lot of $500+ cleaning fees. Come on! What kind of cleaning are you doing for $500?!

I don't really care. If people want to go to AirBnbs, then great. I've had some good experiences with them, but i've also had several bad ones. I don't like the risk I need to take each time with the host. I also am getting fed up with the calculating the "real cost" for each one when comparing them. I'd rather go to Marriott or Hilton where they treat me like a God. So I'm basically done with AirBnb at this point.

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Post by jacurtis »

wdb wrote: post #375
hackernewds wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're guilty of what you're accusing the responder with. The exorbitance of a $200+ cleaning fee is a well-known criticism of Airbnb. And no, not until recently could you see the actual total prior to sunken cost of Reviewing your booking. That too, Airbnb finally implemented once the Biden administration compelled them by law - that is, not before making much fanfare about it with the pretense of them "doin…

$200 cleaning fee? How big are the houses you stay in?

$200 isn't even that large of a cleaning fee by AirBnb standards (i'd say that closer to the median for a full home in the markets I travel in).

The last 3 bedroom home I rented on AirBnb had a $500 cleaning fee. We were there 4 days. Its ridiculous, but it's becoming the standard on AirBnb.

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