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Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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zucked wrote: post #320
kenjackson wrote: post #276

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"Rationality and reason seems to have shifted from liberals to conservatives. We can't even say biological facts. Many others are leaving the woke non-sense," Isn't it the Republicans that are still saying homosexuality is a choice? Aren't they the ones aligned with QAnon woke-conspiracies? Aren't they ones that pushed that Obama was born in Africa? What biological facts do Democrats say you can't say? At worst, Dems…

At this risk of sounding like a "BUT BOTH SIDES" argument - both sides of the major two parties have elements of undesirability. I register as an independent. I vote for representatives that I feel best convey my hope, dreams, and views into the halls of power. Often, those candidates self-identify as liberals. Sometimes, they identify as Republican. Either way, the faster we can get away from having politics be a te…

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Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by squishy47 »

throw0101c wrote: post #24
giaour wrote: post #13

At this point, I'm kinda wondering if Musk's deal to finance the Twitter acquisition included some Brewster's Millions -style clause where he gets to keep the company and the $44B if the company goes bankrupt within 90 days.

For anyone not familiar, this movie is worth checking out: > Monty Brewster is a Minor League Baseball pitcher with the Hackensack Bulls. He and his best friend, Spike Nolan, the Bulls' catcher, are arrested after a post-game bar fight. A man offers to post their bail if they will come to New York City with him. At the Manhattan law office of Granville & Baxter, Brewster is told that his recently deceased great-uncle…

start a charity. donate 5% to it. charities only have to give 20% to do good. (at least in UK) you end up with 1.2m easy 200k. then buy everything through the charity, reclaim the 20% on purchases.

please post improvements if there's easier ways... ;)

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Post by cpeterso »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #25
bluepoint wrote: post #15

> Twitter reportedly no longer has a communications department to relay information to the media. Doesn’t look good.

Not sure if they have legal, compliance, or privacy at this point either.

Or a payroll department. Good luck retaining any remaining employees if you can't pay them. And good luck hiring new payroll employees who will want to deal with the inevitable lawsuits in multiple countries about the firings, layoffs, and unpaid severance.

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Post by rco8786 »

memish wrote: post #342
rco8786 wrote: post #245

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> They don't have stock? Twitter is a private company now. Not sure if you missed the news that this guy named Elon Musk bought the whole company. > Also maybe don't say your employer is a "petulant man child" in Slack or otherwise undermine them and you'll be fine. The idea that an employer should keep people that actively dislike like him or her is insane. I think the issue most people are taking with this is that…

Private companies still have stock and it tends to be a big part of their compensation.

I think we all are aware here that we're talking about liquid equity that one can actually exchange for money.

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Post by PKop »

dredmorbius wrote: post #369
PKop wrote: post #69

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Website and app working fine for me. Don't really see this "spectacular collapse" everyone seems to wish would happen

"Twitter" isn't just the technical website infrastructure, though that itself is now at grave risk: https://how.complexsystems.fail/ > It's also: - Twitter, the advertising-driven business model, which advertisers are fleeing. - Twitter, the institutional knowledge, technical and otherwise, which is now fleeing. - Twitter, a government-regulated (FTC and possibly other consent decrees / orders) enterprise. See for ex…

Musk himself has said multiple times Twitter might go bankrupt. They were already losing money and it wasn't really a sustainable business when he bought it given economic trends; something had to change.

The particular melodrama aimed at Musk right now is just cope amongst the milieu he is purging from Twitter and/or hurt feelings and ressentiment of the media class over Musks stance on free speech. They want him to fail and will go overboard at every little attempt he makes to change direction of the company.

This is a good take here. It's all performative outrage:

https://twitter.com/ShantMM/status/1593649293927202816

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Post by cpeterso »

GSimon wrote: post #129
gambiting wrote: post #89

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I very much doubt that. Twitter must have had some bloat, but there's no way that 80% of the workforce was bloat. I'd be extremely surprised if Twitter(as in, the website/app, not the registered legal entity) still exists and works by the end of this year.

80% imo could so very easily be bloat. Features/services that are underutilized and haemorrhaging money don't need to be upkept, teams dedicated to curating content like twitter headlines and moderating content don't need to be there (at the scale it's currently at). Staffing for hospitality services at Twitter HQ and all the ancillary services that are unnecessary or under-utilized. As long as the servers are runnin…

For comparison, Reddit has only 700 employees. How does Reddit handle scale and moderation with only 10% of the number of employees Twitter had in 2021?

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Post by anigbrowl »

systemvoltage wrote: post #172
themitigating wrote: post #83

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1. Supporting the Republican party who I hate for lying about or supporting people who lied/are lying about election fraud. 2. Linking to an article that claimed Paul Pelosi's attacker was involved in a gay love triangle and it was a lover's quarrel. 3. Pedo guy 4. Making blue check marks paid leading to many parody accounts mimicking companies making offensive tweets. Then when those companies cut advertising claimi…

> Republican party who I hate I switched to Republican party since 2020 election, I wouldn't vote for election deniers [1] but plenty of people are doing the right thing. Rationality and reason seems to have shifted from liberals to conservatives. We can't even say biological facts. Many others are leaving the woke non-sense, I want my damn liberal party back from the 90's that was pro free speech and had a kernel of…

Olgino is beautiful at this time of year.

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Post by rhacker »

diob wrote: post #359
Yoofie wrote: post #322

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This is a weird take. No, alot SW devs (the type that work at FAANG-like companies) are actually spoiled, relative to most other industries of the world. Perhaps, they have gotten so used to is that they don't recognize it. You can absolutely make an argument that the rest of the world's workforce is being abused, but that is speaking from place of privilege and its easy to be a "champion for the worker" from your iv…

If you want to debate, define spoiled, we can start from there.

Well let's imagine that programming was like railroad work. Hammering in railroad spikes, getting called at 3am to prevent a possible collision. But it's not. I can't believe we need someone to define spoiled in this context.

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Post by sahila »

danenania wrote: post #200
jcranmer wrote: post #130

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You're assuming that someone leaving immediately causes things to break down. A lot of things will take some time to see the effects of people leaving. Fire your entire payroll department. No one will notice... until the biweekly paychecks don't go out, and now your employees aren't getting paid. Fire badge security. No one will notice... until you need someone to make a new badge for a new employee. Fire your IT sta…

This is essentially what happens to a startup that scales rapidly. It goes from fire to fire as it grows, scrambling to deal with each new issue that arises and hiring new people as needed. It's not pretty, but is generally accepted as far more effective than attempting to hire and build way ahead of your immediate needs (the YAGNI principle). Musk's approach is drastic and will probably include a lot of turbulence a…

That's true but there's some missing attraction that's present in fast-growing startups but not here - there's little room for big stock / options growth (unless Musk provides options at less than the $44b price, or a high all cash comp) and the product is already mature so lots of interesting engineering challenges are already solved (and your challenge will rather be to figure out the existing codebase and how to work with it). There's also less of a promise of lots of fast hiring and moving up the chain as I imagine Twitter wants to remain fairly lean.

Of course there's plusses too including working a large impact product with little bureaucracy and being on a even playing field versus your peers with little institution knowledge.

I guess what I'm trying to say is it's dissimilar to a fast-growing start up in important ways that attract people wanting to work for you.

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