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Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Reminds me of another example of video-game inspired tactics: Just before he reached the end zone, with 17 seconds remaining, Stokley cut right at 90 degrees and ran across the field. Six seconds drained off the clock before, at last, he meandered across the goal line to score the winning touchdown. For certain football fans, the excitement of a last-minute comeback now commingled with the shock of the familiar: It's…

This is really interesting. The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive. What the existence of video games does, is allow people to do things like this in an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It's like a psychologica…

Gaming the rules is part of the game in most American team sports. The culture of consistency in rule enforcement regardless of context enables this, and it dovetails nicely with deception being celebrated as a tactic (hidden ball tricks in baseball, and deceptions like this play[0] in football) which also depends on rules being enforced.

Another way to put it is that in American sports like baseball, basketball, and football, the rules are considered part of the game, and using the rules to your advantage shows respect for the game. With soccer, by contrast, people often talk about an essence of the game that transcends the rules, which the rules only approximate, and it seems like there is a different relationship to the rules as a result. Rules are a necessary evil that serve the higher essence of the game, and if you are too concerned with the rules people might feel like you are disrespecting the higher essence that they serve. At least that has been my impression from spectators and amateurs, in my experience. Competitors at higher levels of play might approach it differently.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MiD6no269s

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Heh, I'd never seen the full clip of that and the scooter driver's reaction just about had me spit on my keyboard over here.

Same here. Your comment convinced me to click, no regrets. :D

1. The scooter guy reaction

2. The scooter guy decides "can't beat 'em might as well join him"

3. The poor mobility scooter being passed by all this

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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post #127

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Motorsports are different than other sports because the drivers' lives are under very real risk. A lot of the regulation is to keep the drivers alive. It comes at the expense of excitement but we would all agree it's necessary.

So the next step is to remove the drivers and have a more exciting race. I feel like there's a missing league of F1 autonomous driving cars.

There was an attempt that failed.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32183567

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you.

My favorite is Eddie the Eagle. Watch the movie or read the book. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_the_Eagle

There was a rule added to baseball about making a "mockery of the game" for sending a midget in to pinch-hit, and having nearly no strike zone, he walked on four balls.

> American League president Will Harridge, saying Veeck was making a mockery of the game, voided Gaedel's contract the next day. In response, Veeck threatened to request an official ruling on whether Yankees shortstop and reigning American League MVP Phil Rizzuto, who stood 5 feet 6 inches (1.68 m), was a short ballplayer or a tall dwarf.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Gaedel

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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> The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive. Clock management is a pretty big aspect of (American) football strategy and very much expected. I don't think anyone considers it gaming the rules. Just off the top of my head: - Teams with comfortable lead…

Fun fact, two of those five things are known to be counterproductive, but coaches still do them, presumably due to social expectation and/or job security. Conservative play calling with a lead, particularly on defense, is known to reduce your chances of holding the lead. Sticking to more balanced tactics leads to losses that look more spectacular, but fewer of them. And depending on how you look at the stats, the "ic…

I’ve heard for years that, statistically, icing the kicker doesn’t work. But whenever I actually see it happen, it’s in a situation where the defending team has no other productive use for the timeout, which means there’s also no reason not to ice the kicker.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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post #15

This is also the shortest short track NASCAR races, its in Martinsville, VA. Known as "The paperclip". This was a lot fun to watch. #1 Ross Chastain had to get more points than #11 Denny Hamlin to qualify. He was in 10th I think when he went full send with the wall, putting an arms length in front of Denny at the very last second to finish #5th. Short track races are fun because the do have a lot of rubbing, but they…

> went full send with the wall How did the term "full send" come about? Why is everyone saying it these days?

I'm speculating, but here goes:

"Send it" has been in use in sports for awhile, and the usage is literal: cause the thing to go, and from that point it's between physics and whatever god(s) you pray to. Typically used for the act of passing/shooting.

"Full mode" has also been in use for awhile, meaning an extreme or complete version of a tactic or state of being.

Combine the two, and you get "full send mode", where you make a move that completely removes your control from that point forward.

Then you drop the last word for brevity, and you have people going full send.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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IMHO they should rule it out changing the wall construction in some way that it no longer gives an advantage. E.g. attaching TecPro barriers to it.

I think they should design the walls to make this easier and folks should put wheels on the side. Let’s go crazy, that was awesome.

Just race in a giant sewer pipe, I guess, heh.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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post #361
post #81

This is one of those events that I'm of several minds about: 1) This is what keeps people outside the scene interested and taking note - NASCAR absolutely should publicize and play up this moment, it brings a lot of folks to the sport. It was incredibly awesome. 2) A lot of times something like this is how you form some new regulations - it's truly one of those "You know, this was excellent but we can't do it again"…

> A lot of times something like this is how you form some new regulations - it's truly one of those "You know, this was excellent but we can't do it again" situations. That's exactly what happened in the cycling world when UCI decided they needed to ban the "supertuck"[1] [1]: https://www.bicycling.com/racing/a35566614/uci-supertuck-ban...

My tinfoil hat theory is that it's a handout to manufacturers to sell dropper posts to road cyclists. Aero profile dropper? Money printer.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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post #153

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I love this clip so much - I pulled it off so many times in Need For Speed but games like Gran Turismo always nerfed to move. There are so many moves that were obvious in video games but (bafflingly, to a kid like me) were never adopted until much, much later like: • NFL - Going for it on 4th down • NFL - QB spamming scramble moves (w/ Michael Vick) • NBA - Spamming 3 pointers (w/ Steph Curry)

For what it's worth, I learnt to play basketball in Eastern Europe about 25 years ago, and there was a much bigger emphasis on 3 pointers back then. Pretty much everyone was able to make 3 point shots regardless of their main position. When I came to the US, I was surprised that people were amazed that "the big guy can shoot 3s". I played center, but it was normal for me to work on free throws, 3 point shots, and als…

There’s some justification for this. There are maybe 2000-3000 people in the world who are seven feet tall, and traditionally you would prioritize footwork, physical strength, rebounding, and defense over shooting for those players. Steph Curry is 6’2”, which is a much more common height so you can be a lot more selective about whether or not a 6’2” point guard can shoot as opposed to a 7’ center. Now we do have lots of big guys who can shoot, but not all of them can do the other things well enough.
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