If I was working at Twitter right now I would be looking for a different job, regardless of what I think of Elon's politics/motives. The talk of layoffs and major policy changes creates massive uncertainty and I don't think I'd risk sticking out the transition. I bet many inside the company feel the same. This begs the question: If there is a major exodus, will it even matter? And, if it does, how will the problems m…
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#372I always wonder: how much honesty is in him? For example, he stopped talking about the bot population on the platform altogether after he could not get out of the deal. Was he honest about this being a big issue in the first place? For me, it’s not easy to believe this because this bot issue appeared right after Twitter staff did not like his speech, and talks with the CEO fell apart. Am I mistaken about how it all p…
If the case everything should be viewed through that lens.
> From your point of view, do you consider him deceitful?
With no judgement of morality here; this is Elon Musk. Yes absolutely he is.
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#373The reason why Musk eventually bought Twitter, when he did, and at the price he paid, was to avoid having to testify under oath in the lawsuit against him. He was going to be deposed, exposed, and in the end he was also going to lose and suffer the indignity of having to pay a high price for something he fiercely said he didn't want anymore. Better bite the bullet earlier than later. Now that doesn't explain why he w…
Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far
#374If I was working at Twitter right now I would be looking for a different job, regardless of what I think of Elon's politics/motives. The talk of layoffs and major policy changes creates massive uncertainty and I don't think I'd risk sticking out the transition. I bet many inside the company feel the same. This begs the question: If there is a major exodus, will it even matter? And, if it does, how will the problems m…
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#375I would really like to hear how he's financing this deal. His net worth has dropped since he's made this play. Most of his money is tied up in equity. So who's funding this deal? The fact that this isn't well talked about and that the company is going private is raising a lot of red flags to my eyes
Matt Levine at Bloomberg has been talking about it frequently as the deal evolved. You can read back through the articles that reference Musk or Twitter in the headline and get a good idea. "The Wall Street banks involved, led by Morgan Stanley, are also ironing out the steps needed to finalize funding about $13 billion of debt commitments." "Banks that committed to help finance Elon Musk’s takeover of Twitter Inc. p…
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#376He is pushing for a political system/values which:
- doubles down on money == power, to a point where only money is power
- uses pretext of "freedom" to remove protections which limit in how much companies can abuse people, mainly in forms which move money from them to the companies.
But if you systematically make it easier to wide spread systematically move money from the demos (populace) to a selected few and make sure only money is power that is pretty clear cut anti-democratic. (I mean it basically remove the demo from democraty).
And sure this is somewhat true for all democratic states, but the question is how much and if you push for it getting worse. Which AFIK Musk does. (It's also why a lot of people which had looked into such power dynamics will look at you strangely when you tell them the US is a beacon of democracy, it isn't and never was. It is a beacon for capitalism combined with wealth, western culture, military might (in some order) and only then democracy. At least in my opinion.)
So what does that have to do with Twitter?
One of the main complains Musk has with it is how it did restrict "freedom of speech", except it mainly did so when that freedom was abused for spread hatred and misinformation, often with the intend to manipulate democracy to elect people pushing for less democracy. And he wants to remove that.
Now without question Twitter did a bad job at moderation, still I would be really surprised if Musk would improve that. I would love being surprised.
Another problem is that Musk has shown to be a petty person and has shown to abuse the power he has over his companies, e.g. to cancel a Tesla pre-order because of someone saying something he took offense with. Putting such a person in charge of a platform like Twitter looks like a recopy for disaster. Especially given that it's also used a lot by some minorities Musk seems to personally have a rather strong dislike for...
Now I would love to be wrong about this assessment. I personally might not be the biggest fan of Musk but what does that matter if he does manage to create a better twitter.
And even if he fails it might have positive effects, by e.g. enabling a better alternative platform to take it's place.
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#377OK, so far, not much. Musk is getting stretched rather thin. Space-X seems to be doing OK with Gwynne Shotwell running things. Tesla, which Musk apparently does really run personally, is doing OK, but their side ventures are not. Self-driving is a mess. Solar panels (yes, Tesla has a solar panel business) are not doing well. The Cybertruck is years late. (Maybe next year.[1]) So is the Tesla Model 2, the low-end vehi…
I don’t think many people are cross-shopping Teslas with Bolts or Leafs. The difference in performance and technology is big enough to put them in a different vehicle class. Most of the people I know who are buying Teslas are coming from Audi and BMW, and never would have considered buying a Chevy.
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#378Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a very different position than the one he stated before, i.e., everything that is not illegal will be allowed.
He never said that. He said 80% of the political spectrum in the middle would be allowed.
Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far
#379If I was working at Twitter right now I would be looking for a different job, regardless of what I think of Elon's politics/motives. The talk of layoffs and major policy changes creates massive uncertainty and I don't think I'd risk sticking out the transition. I bet many inside the company feel the same. This begs the question: If there is a major exodus, will it even matter? And, if it does, how will the problems m…
Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far
#380The reason why Musk eventually bought Twitter, when he did, and at the price he paid, was to avoid having to testify under oath in the lawsuit against him. He was going to be deposed, exposed, and in the end he was also going to lose and suffer the indignity of having to pay a high price for something he fiercely said he didn't want anymore. Better bite the bullet earlier than later. Now that doesn't explain why he w…
This is a leveraged buyout.
That means that $13 Billion was borrowed from Morgan Stanley to make this deal happen, and Twitter is the owner of that debt. Estimates are ~$1.3 Billion / year in interest payments (the most risky $3 Billion is unsecured loans, expected to be CCC-rated, and CCC-rated debt is around 16% right now). So I think 10% is a reasonable estimate for what this financing will cost.
In 2021, Twitter made... _NEGATIVE_ 200-million bucks.
So... yeah. Add $1.3 Billion of interest payments on top of that, and I think we got a problem here folks. Another note: TWTR's revenue (mostly advertisements) is $5 Billion/year. I really dunno where they're gonna find $1.3 Billion/year from.
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What Musk bought here is a white elephant. It will cost tons of money just to stay afloat, let alone "make money" or even "retain value". If Elon Musk holds onto this and "only" loses a few dozen billion over the next few years, I think he'd have done a good job. I have no expectation that TWTR will remain a $44 Billion company over the next decade. Selling the company off for $20 Billion 5 years from now (IE: a $24 Billion loss) would be a herculean effort as it is IMO.