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Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Yes, both 32-bit and 64-bit apps should work, as long as they don't rely on low-level x86 stuff.

Why isn't this capability highlighted more?

I don't know, perhaps because it's not that new. It's very nice to have though.

On the other hand this particular device is meant as a dev kit for making ARM apps (either new ones or porting traditional programs to ARM) - it would be a little bit ironic if x86 compatibility were to be highlighted here.

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Someone had a battery life test for phones. The iPhones beat the android phones in nearly every test by hours. And they only had 60-70% of the raw battery capacity. And you know they have faster processors too. It’s so weird to me. The A series is kind of “that doesn’t count” because the competition can’t get close. The M series wowed people and then we all went back to normal AMD/Intel stuff like nothing happened. I…

It is astonishing to me that people are out there buying Intel PC laptops when the M1 MBA can be had for <$1000

The base MBA comes with only 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD and has very limited upgrade option. Also Apple charges crazy prices for more RAM and storage.

For $1000 one can buy a Windows laptop with 32GB RAM and 1TB SDD, that can cheaply be upgraded to 64GB memory and 10+TB SSD (2x SO-DIMM slots + 2x M2 PCIe slots).

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Someone had a battery life test for phones. The iPhones beat the android phones in nearly every test by hours. And they only had 60-70% of the raw battery capacity. And you know they have faster processors too. It’s so weird to me. The A series is kind of “that doesn’t count” because the competition can’t get close. The M series wowed people and then we all went back to normal AMD/Intel stuff like nothing happened. I…

It is astonishing to me that people are out there buying Intel PC laptops when the M1 MBA can be had for <$1000

$1000 is still more than I would guess about half of PCs.

It would surprise me if my mother, grandparents, sister, etc. have ever sent more than $800 on a computer.

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Someone had a battery life test for phones. The iPhones beat the android phones in nearly every test by hours. And they only had 60-70% of the raw battery capacity. And you know they have faster processors too. It’s so weird to me. The A series is kind of “that doesn’t count” because the competition can’t get close. The M series wowed people and then we all went back to normal AMD/Intel stuff like nothing happened. I…

It is astonishing to me that people are out there buying Intel PC laptops when the M1 MBA can be had for <$1000

> It is astonishing to me that people are out there buying Intel PC laptops when the M1 MBA can be had for Can the M1 MBA run Windows?

EDIT: Or can it run GNU/Linux natively (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33320765)?

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Jeff Atwood 5 years ago: "the Qualcomm hardware people told Google internally they were 5 years behind Apple on hardware. This was about 1.5 years ago, but I believe that's about right." ( https://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/1050538041796788225 ) And benchmarks continue to show: https://twitter.com/slightlylate/status/1584350796233117696

Is the chip in this PC anywhere on that chart? I assume it's most similar to the latest Galaxy's which are not far behind Mac. Which is pretty much fine as far as I can tell, I don't see many CPU-bound workstation activities for most folks. And if you are CPU bound, you don't buy a micro form factor.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone had a battery life test for phones. The iPhones beat the android phones in nearly every test by hours. And they only had 60-70% of the raw battery capacity. And you know they have faster processors too. It’s so weird to me. The A series is kind of “that doesn’t count” because the competition can’t get close. The M series wowed people and then we all went back to normal AMD/Intel stuff like nothing happened. I…

Who went back to AMD/Intel stuff? Any Apple user is far away from that, and comparing the performance, heat, noise, and battery differences between my Intel and Apple Silicon computers, I have no desire to regularly use an Intel machine until they make some stratospheric leap. (I still need it for some x86 vagrant boxes I have though!)

The entertaining thing here is that Apple’s walled garden is intended to keep people in, but here it’s keeping them out. The M1 is a technical marvel, but if you’re not already tied to Apple, it’s nowhere near good enough to warrant leaping that wall.

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>> An ARM based Windows computer isn't a bad idea, I just question if Microsoft is able to deliver on it. Microsoft has already executed and brutally failed with ARM in the form of the disastrous Surface RT/Windows RT. But, and more importantly. Two people with unlimited resources are running a race car race. One starts a year or two before the other. Even with unlimited resources; the other racer/team has unlimited…

I think the primary reason that windows rt failed totally is no software can run on it at all. Not only you can't run x86 software. You can't even download random executable and run it. It is basically killed by ms itself. It is always a mystery to me that why ms would expect user to buy a device that nearly run nothing. It looks like they want to address this. But I wonder if they will succeed this time.

>It is always a mystery to me that why ms would expect user to buy a device that nearly run nothing.

Because at the end of the day, Windows RT was a creature born of greed. They saw dollar signs- Apple's 30% App Store cut- and as such wanted a machine that forced you to buy software only from them. There was no technical reason that normal software couldn't run on Windows RT, given that MS themselves did it with Office.

So confident were they that this would work that they threw the tablet features onto Windows 8 proper, relegating the reason people buy computers to a secondary function- after all, paying MS for the privilege of developing software was going to be the New Way forward. Besides, don't you want security?

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I'm surprised at the price for a 32GB RAM device. I'm tempted to get one just to double the ram of my desktop, despite probably being slower than my i7-3770. It might be a good platform to work on Scalable Vector Extensions (SVE) code without needing to rent a Graviton from AWS.

Anandtech about the cpu: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17127/qualcomms-8cx-gen-3-for...

Some info about the ARMv8.2-A Architecture (2017): https://community.arm.com/arm-community-blogs/b/architecture...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone had a battery life test for phones. The iPhones beat the android phones in nearly every test by hours. And they only had 60-70% of the raw battery capacity. And you know they have faster processors too. It’s so weird to me. The A series is kind of “that doesn’t count” because the competition can’t get close. The M series wowed people and then we all went back to normal AMD/Intel stuff like nothing happened. I…

It is astonishing to me that people are out there buying Intel PC laptops when the M1 MBA can be had for <$1000

It depends what is important to you.

Firstly I am mostly plugged in, so battery life is secondary.

Secondly I am a heavy Excel user, and it just isn't as good on Apple

Thirdly I use PowerBI which isn't available for Apple

Lastly I have hybrid Active Directory, and can deploy SSO trivially to my remote Windows users, which I can't on Mac. During Covid I could mail someone a PC and get them signed on to AD resources in minutes. My Windows users are first class citizens, easier to support, and happier with their IT.

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If I click on the "You can purchase the dev-kit here" button, I get "We are sorry, the page you requested cannot be found".

Probably because the device is not available in my country, but then at least show a page explaining I can't purchase the device based on my IP or whatever. This was a really bad experience.

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