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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by blululu »

cr4nberry wrote: post #293
birdyrooster wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come to downtown San Jose and you will see a lot of the same issues. It has a lot to do with scale. The peninsula Nimbys have successfully kept any scale from being realized there. We have rampant theft, breakins, unsolved shootings and stabbings, shit and piss needing to be regularly cleaned from the sidewalks. We have few sideshows luckily but plenty of streets lined with ppl strung out on drugs and no prospects.

> Come to downtown San Jose and you will see a lot of the same issues I went there once for the library and it just seemed really sketch. I never thought I would say this but maybe the nimbys aren't all bad :/ also should have clarified original comment, but what I meant was the suburban stretch from like Burlingame to Sunnyvale

It’s a totally rational response that is also horribly selfish. You kind of see this sentiment any time discussion of San Francisco comes up. A bunch of people who have voted to consistently take funds out of the city will jump to attack it as if it were some hated foreign country. Meanwhile the voters of California restricted local taxation to be massively regressive. The voters or America consistently give handouts to rural places. But when it comes to pitching in and helping a once great city, people would rather sit smug about how smart they are to have expelled their homeless people somewhere else.

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Post by novok »

cr4nberry wrote: post #293
birdyrooster wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come to downtown San Jose and you will see a lot of the same issues. It has a lot to do with scale. The peninsula Nimbys have successfully kept any scale from being realized there. We have rampant theft, breakins, unsolved shootings and stabbings, shit and piss needing to be regularly cleaned from the sidewalks. We have few sideshows luckily but plenty of streets lined with ppl strung out on drugs and no prospects.

> Come to downtown San Jose and you will see a lot of the same issues I went there once for the library and it just seemed really sketch. I never thought I would say this but maybe the nimbys aren't all bad :/ also should have clarified original comment, but what I meant was the suburban stretch from like Burlingame to Sunnyvale

It's an american disease, maybe even californian. Go to many other cities in the rest of the world and they have denser, better cities with none of the literal shit. IMO I would barely call most of the bay a city, just a semi-dense suburb for the most part beyond a few pockets.

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Post by heavyset_go »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #295
lxe wrote: post #166

Got a $1500 bike stolen from the inside of my locked apartment in Potrero Hill back in 2015 or 16. Was very bitter about that -- it was one of the few things I brought with me to SF. Police ignored it. For weeks after I was walking through all the homeless chop shops looking for it. About a month after the theft, I received a call from someone who bought a frame (just the frame) with my serial number at a San Jose fl…

Strange that police would ignore a burglary. I get they might ignore a bike stolen from the street. A burglary could easily be a home invasion.

Cops really don't give a shit about property crimes that happen to people they don't think matter. They aren't there to protect your stuff, they exist so the Walmarts of the world don't have to spend even more money on security.

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Post by peyton »

jacobolus wrote: post #327
pclmulqdq wrote: post #275

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I'm guessing that if a rich, white or Asian tech worker decided to loot a Walgreens, they would get the book thrown at them. Look at the small business owners in New York who get arrested and charged with everything possible by the DA's office for defending themselves (until public pressure forces them to back down). That's where we are. This is what the people voted for, though.

This is total nonsense. Wealthy professionals regularly get away with much more egregious thefts than petty shoplifting, the police do a lot more harassment of poor people than rich people, and lack of response to shoplifting is not about race.

What’s lack of response to shoplifting about? I would like it to end.

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Post by RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #359
chaboud wrote: post #351

I had a car broken into this last weekend. They broke into every rental car in the lot (by the ferry building). A police officer was rolling through, telling people not to leave anything visible in their cars (nothing was visible in mine). I asked him if I could file a report, and he told me I would have to go to the station. He told me he wasn't sticking around and refused to take a report. I had a similar experienc…

Who did you vote for?

I'm not OP but not everyone could vote due to e.g. residency requirements, like me. So I "voted" the only way I could: with my feet.

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Post by [deleted] »

itbeho wrote: post #341
irrational wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m 50 and have lived in 11+ cities over my lifetime. I’ve never been robbed. How is it that one person can get robbed 4 times and another no times? It’s not like I’ve ever lived in a gated community or anything like that.

Move to SF and report back in a year?

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Post by gruez »

heavyset_go wrote: post #373
quickthrower2 wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strange that police would ignore a burglary. I get they might ignore a bike stolen from the street. A burglary could easily be a home invasion.

Cops really don't give a shit about property crimes that happen to people they don't think matter. They aren't there to protect your stuff, they exist so the Walmarts of the world don't have to spend even more money on security.

except it's not even working for corporations like walgreens, who are closing stores in san francisco because of excessive shoplifting.

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Post by jshzglr »

chaboud wrote: post #351

I had a car broken into this last weekend. They broke into every rental car in the lot (by the ferry building). A police officer was rolling through, telling people not to leave anything visible in their cars (nothing was visible in mine). I asked him if I could file a report, and he told me I would have to go to the station. He told me he wasn't sticking around and refused to take a report. I had a similar experienc…

You can replace the police force, nothing will change. When cops feel unwanted and disrespected they act accordingly. There's a reason we have a history of unwarranted respect for cops and military members. It's not because they always deserve it, but because you want them to feel like they do.

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Post by prewett »

iinnPP wrote: post #71
ALittleLight wrote: post #38

A lot of unbelievable stats in this article. "only 12% of residents say that racism does not make solving problems more difficult." That's an odd finding to me. SF has always struck me as very progressive, but now I'm seeing that a large majority of the city thinks the city has a racism problem.

All those people suffering in some of the wealthiest space in your country and that is progressive. See, here is the problem.

A lot of the visible homeless are not suffering primarily from lack of wealth but from mental health. Another segment chose that lifestyle to be free of responsibility and don't want to change. There are, of course, also people that are homeless for economic reasons, but as I understand it, they tend to be less visible, partly because they are doing things like working and sleeping in their car.

The problem is that what helps the last segment will enable the second segment and not help the first, but everyone talks as if all the homeless are down on their luck. Maybe it's because there is no obvious solution to how to care for the mentally ill, and the previous solution of institutionalization turned out so badly that anything resembling that is just off the table. However, people that do not have the ability to take care of themselves need some sort of sheltering environment, which is basically an "institution". And there is no solution for people who choose not to participate in society, which is relatively okay if they just keep to themselves, but the idea that some people choose of their own volition to do things that cause a breakdown in community (like stealing, defecating on the streets, etc.) seems to be a forbidden concept to Progressives. But each of those three groups needs a different tactic.

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Post by epistasis »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #359
chaboud wrote: post #351

I had a car broken into this last weekend. They broke into every rental car in the lot (by the ferry building). A police officer was rolling through, telling people not to leave anything visible in their cars (nothing was visible in mine). I asked him if I could file a report, and he told me I would have to go to the station. He told me he wasn't sticking around and refused to take a report. I had a similar experienc…

Who did you vote for?

This is somewhat irrelevant, the police operate like a gang.

There was an entire recall election becuase of "lawlessness" but it turns out that it was not the DA that was the problem, it's the police force refusing to address crime.

Seems pretty likely to be direct corruption organized with the thieves.

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