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Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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Post by mywittyname »

phpisthebest wrote: post #132
ethbr0 wrote: post #48

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Voters in a democracy tend to react better to dollars-spent than bodybags-returned. So support via the former will always be the more tenable position for a democracy.

Voters in democracy tend to react better when debt or "others" are seen to be paying for things and not them... I can assure you that if the everyday American saw in line item on their paycheck called "Ukraine War Tax" the public would be much less supportive, but since all the money is either printed, to debt then there is a disconnect between government spending, and the hidden tax of inflation everyone is paying b…

Don't worry. Politicians will be sending out mailers and running ads that put that "Ukraine War Tax" front and center into peoples' minds. Support for Ukraine is substantially higher on the left and is falling on the right as people begin blaming the war for rising fuel prices in the USA.

Republicans want the Presidency in 2024, and turning their base against Ukraine is going to be a pillar of their strategy.

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Post by yazaddaruvala »

agumonkey wrote: post #369
paxys wrote: post #286

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There is no such thing as "peak tech". There are simply alternating periods of faster and slower growth, and we are currently in the latter.

In terms of human existence tech is overwhelmingly above the average person need. It's not providing anything beside more addictive paths. You don't need more resolution, more bandwidth, more anything.. you probably need less, or more space to reflect and live outside the networked digital realm. ps: to add a bit more, from the few chats I have, people are either saying "well I need that to check my bank account or p…

> You don't need more resolution, more bandwidth, more anything.. you probably need less, or more space to reflect and live outside the networked digital realm.

Better tech is how humans (all of them - rather than the few) get more space to reflect and live outside.

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Post by [deleted] »

agumonkey wrote: post #369
paxys wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no such thing as "peak tech". There are simply alternating periods of faster and slower growth, and we are currently in the latter.

In terms of human existence tech is overwhelmingly above the average person need. It's not providing anything beside more addictive paths. You don't need more resolution, more bandwidth, more anything.. you probably need less, or more space to reflect and live outside the networked digital realm. ps: to add a bit more, from the few chats I have, people are either saying "well I need that to check my bank account or p…

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Post by downrightmike »

reportingsjr wrote: post #66
bouncycastle wrote: post #50

Related: There is a massive TSMC factory being built in Japan right now. Take a look at the pictures, I've never seen this many cranes at one location: https://www.nhk.jp/static/assets/images/newblogposting/ts/7P... https://cdn-cw-english.cwg.tw/ckeditor/202205/ckeditor-628ae... It looks like a forest of cranes...

I saw some pictures a while ago on twitter of their new fab in Arizona under construction. It looked pretty similar. TSMC means business when they start building out. I don't want to imagine handling logistics on a construction site like this!

Time is money. And they are making bank.

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Post by lovich »

whimsicalism wrote: post #226
Huh1337 wrote: post #223

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> Certainly this is not true of Crimea, where people have been independently polled by Western NGOs and the weight of the evidence is they want to be part of Russia. You mean "a very slightly bigger half of them", right? And that was before all this shit went down and Russians started to mobilize them. I wonder how they feel now, don't you? > Your thesis is that if Russia won they would murder a substantial %-ge of t…

> You mean "a very slightly bigger half of them", right? Closer to 83% but I agree it has probably trended substantially downward in recent months. > Nah, my thesis is that Russia started with it immediately. Why didn't they do this mass murder in Crimea or Donetsk once they got effective control?

I mean, murdering and cremating isn’t the only bit of genocide. They’ve also bern taking Ukrainian children and adopting them out to Russian families, and filtrating out Ukrainian adults across Russia.

At the beginning and through most of the invasion they Russian stance was that Ukrainians are a fake people and don’t actually exist. If I was getting invaded by a group saying my people weren’t real I probably wouldn’t give them the benefit of the doubt that they’d treat me well or let me live if I laid down Armstrong

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Post by addingadimensio »

slickrick216 wrote: post #303
theptip wrote: post #288

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I'm confused by this take. Who is threatening Japan with cruise missiles? Certainly not China or Russia. North Korea, perhaps. The primary reason that we're concerned about semiconductor fab concentration in Taiwan is that China has consistently stated that it is going to invade Taiwan at some point (and that could be 2049 or in a few years for all we know). This is completely outside of any hypothetical scenarios of…

If China attempts an invasion on Taiwan it is not unrealistic to suggest they’ll also take a swing at Japan and at least try to destroy the fabs there.

If China invades Taiwan it’s not unrealistic to think they’ll also start World War III at the same time? I think that’s unrealistic

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Post by frankharv »

lossolo wrote: post #352
cameldrv wrote: post #210

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> progressively violating more and more of Taiwan's sovereign airspace Just in terms of international law, the Chinese flights near Taiwan are provocative but don’t violate any laws. The U.S. and Russia still do this sort of thing all the time. An ADIZ is not sovereign airspace.

International law is not a good example here because actually if you look at international law then Taiwan is part of China and formally it's considered as part of China by US, EU etc. Taiwan is not a state from perspective of international law so from this perspective it doesn't have sovereign airspace.

I thought China snubbed their noses at International rulings regarding the South China Sea? Now they get respect from same authorities? Can't have it both ways. Join world system or reject it.

https://www.cfr.org/councilofcouncils/global-memos/hague-tri...

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Post by bluepizza »

slickrick216 wrote: post #303
theptip wrote: post #288

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I'm confused by this take. Who is threatening Japan with cruise missiles? Certainly not China or Russia. North Korea, perhaps. The primary reason that we're concerned about semiconductor fab concentration in Taiwan is that China has consistently stated that it is going to invade Taiwan at some point (and that could be 2049 or in a few years for all we know). This is completely outside of any hypothetical scenarios of…

If China attempts an invasion on Taiwan it is not unrealistic to suggest they’ll also take a swing at Japan and at least try to destroy the fabs there.

It is completely unrealistic. Japan is protected by the USA. Any attacks on Japanese territory would lead to nuclear annihilation of Beijing.

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Post by whimsicalism »

gadflyinyoureye wrote: post #300
whimsicalism wrote: post #282

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I do not think 4 million people+ died due to lockdowns in China.

Directly? No. By suicide and future complications due to having their life upended/destroyed yeah. The CCP should have purchase novavax for the shot (they still should given China’s low jab rate) and allowed the majority of people to live their lives. Covid for the majority posses little risk.

4 million people died due to suicide due to lockdowns in China?
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