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Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I would like to end such an addiction, there aren't even viable replacements for every ICE yet. What do we do about aircraft, freight trucks, and sea vessels?

To be clear, those three categories combined probably represent (spitball) less than 7% of total global emissions. We have a pretty clear path towards eliminating 80%+ of overall emissions, and that would buy us some time to figure out solutions for the remaining 20%. But since you asked: 1- Freight trucks, for now, will likely be either carbon capture, or a clever EV retrofit like SixWheel. Batteries probably aren’t…

> To be clear, those three categories combined probably represent (spitball) less than 7% of total global emissions. We have a pretty clear path towards eliminating 80%+ of overall emissions, and that would buy us some time to figure out solutions for the remaining 20%.

This is a problem that is going to take care of itself. World population is peaking and there's nothing that will get the world back to replacement fertility (2.1 children per woman) in the near term. As the world takes its long gentle slide into depopulation, carbon emissions will taper off. Problem solved.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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I "like" how the beginning of the segment states the "biggest impact" is gonna be on the fishing economy, not on the restaurants. I'd argue the biggest impact is on... the crab population? Guess nobody really cares for those after all. In which case losing them serves us well.

We are like coal to be burned as fuel for capital

Not quite. That is the carbon cycle.

We just came along and put some faces on paper so we could stop killing each other over whose fishermen get to catch crab. Then we called it capitalism and pretended that our economic systems transcend natural science.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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No one speaks of the elephants in the room 1. Russia is well known to fish illegally in bearing Seas 2.There was a boom in warm waters for warm water fish that some fisherman switched to, if you watch a certain Discovery series you know which fish even. 3.Alaska is one of the states that succeeded in protecting fish populations as opposed to some other US states.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Something similar happened to the cod fishing industry in Newfoundland and other parts of eastern Canada 30 years ago. The reason: overfishing, due in large part to technological advances. Here's what happened: Canada and NAFO continued to overestimate the abundance of cod in the Atlantic Ocean and therefore continued to set dangerously high [Total Allowable Catches]. This was in large part due to the widespread prac…

I work in the Alaska fishery and am typing this while sat in one of the largest fish processing facilities in the western hemisphere. I have the spare time because, well, there's no crabs coming in and everything else is mostly out of season. About half of the boats on Discovery belong to the company I work for, the largest in the US. So I'll take the opportunity to share some on-the-ground observations. Overfishing:…

It could be overfishing. That's what it was with Cod. The thing is depending on the stock assessment model used for Alaskan Crab, the data fed into said model (surveys, fishery catch etc.) they could have been over estimating abundance and setting too high quotas for years until poof there's no more.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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The Seattle Times joined followed a carb boat in April of 2022. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/into-t... The captain's take on the issue includes climate change, over crabbing areas known to be struggling and trawling. The article also includes an explanation as to how cod could be responsible due to climate change offering less ice protection for the crab.

> carb boat Heh heh. I imagine fishermen hauling in a net full of potatoes and pasta.

Interesting. I imagined fishermen hauling in a net full of choke springs and accelerator pump gaskets.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

#377

I "like" how the beginning of the segment states the "biggest impact" is gonna be on the fishing economy, not on the restaurants. I'd argue the biggest impact is on... the crab population? Guess nobody really cares for those after all. In which case losing them serves us well.

This kills the crab

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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post #4

Something similar happened to the cod fishing industry in Newfoundland and other parts of eastern Canada 30 years ago. The reason: overfishing, due in large part to technological advances. Here's what happened: Canada and NAFO continued to overestimate the abundance of cod in the Atlantic Ocean and therefore continued to set dangerously high [Total Allowable Catches]. This was in large part due to the widespread prac…

I work in the Alaska fishery and am typing this while sat in one of the largest fish processing facilities in the western hemisphere. I have the spare time because, well, there's no crabs coming in and everything else is mostly out of season. About half of the boats on Discovery belong to the company I work for, the largest in the US. So I'll take the opportunity to share some on-the-ground observations. Overfishing:…

In uni we had classes about systems modeling and fishing population was one of the examples studied. Overfishing can cause these phenomenons not so muche because you actually fish 1bln unit and are 1bln down, but because even a modest amount of overfishing past a critical point puts your population on a crashing decrease due to reduced reprodution. So if under normal circumstances your next generation would be lets say 5bln crabs, because the reduced population makes it much (non linearly) harder to repro now you only have 0.5bln. And over a couple years everything is dried up even thought you maybe "only" overfished 200mln units.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Overfishing is a classic problem of "Tragedy of the Commons". The oceans are the commons. For example, nobody is predicting a catastrophic decline in the population of pigs, chickens, and cattle. Fish farming is the future.

Tragedy of the Commons is a fallacy. 1. Postulate the Commons 2. Also postulate private interests 3. Let private interests have unfettered access to the Commons 4. Problems! The tragedy is supposedly Commons, but clearly the problem is private interests having unregulated access to the Commons. Tragedy of Private Interests? In any case this seems like more of a climate change issue (again…)

This has to be the most obtuse thing I've read today. First, you bait us in with the bold claim "tragedy of the commons is a fallacy", but then it turns out you're not actually going to show a flaw in the idea that the tragedy of the commons is real. Instead you're just playing a word game which leads to some vaguely socialist talking points.

Its particularly tedious as the phrase "tragedy of the commons" has nothing to do with assigning "blame" to the commons (or to the private interests). The phrase itself is not an prescription, merely a diagnosis. Literally no one uses "tragedy of the commons" as capitalism apologia. What an absurd straw man.

No actually, lets not rename all the well established concepts in economics just to give them a certain political lean. That's not actually helpful to understanding anything.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

#380

I "like" how the beginning of the segment states the "biggest impact" is gonna be on the fishing economy, not on the restaurants. I'd argue the biggest impact is on... the crab population? Guess nobody really cares for those after all. In which case losing them serves us well.

> I'd argue the biggest impact is on... the crab population?

The biggest impact of a lower crab population is a lower crab population. That's tautological, makes no sense, and why the article doesn't mention it. The decline in population already happened.

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