It’s crazy to me how Facebook has so many employees when their entire business is basically managing 3 software products (Facebook, instagram and the advertising platform). Meanwhile I think Apple has about the same number of employees if you subtract the retail Apple store workers. Yet, Apple’s business is comprised of managing, and this is only a rough guess: - 30+ hardware products and their supply chain, marketin…
Facebook, Instagram, Meta (which is Oculus hardware and all the metaverse...stuff), Whatsapp, ads, Portal (which includes hardware). It still seems bloated, but they do a wide variety of things, including running their own enormo-scale platform, in addition to doing things on AWS.
Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees
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iMessage has a lot of users if you count people with iphones who very occasionally try to send a text but end up using iMessage. I count as one but it still is completely irrelevant to me. WhatsApp is where everything interesting is.
Same here. I’m always shocked when I meet someone that doesn’t use WhatsApp
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Which is surprising considering how bad it is.
In what way is iMessage bad? It works amazingly well from my perspective.
WhatsApp runs the exact same whether it's an iPhone or an android phone. That's not trivial.
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That’s beyond question and if you are asking it you’re fooling yourself. You can take a look at the output of their engineers as an example (React, Native, Cassandra). We are talking billions. Your run of the mill software company isn’t building this kind of tech. You can hate on Meta all you want. But let’s not deny the facts.
Could the fact that they have higher salaries have anything to do with it? Offer higher salaries and you'll attract stronger talent, regardless of the leetcode hoops they have to jump through.
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The projects you cite don't require 100s of FTE engineers. Due to the absurd amount of SWEs on Facebook, surely someone or a team happen to working there will score a huge FOSS hit sooner or later just due to the numbers.
Like I said, the open source stuff is a nice bonus. The main testament to Facebook's engineering level is that they're successfully shipping several of the largest scale software products ever to billions of people. And you certainly need a large engineering headcount for that.
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Same here. I’m always shocked when I meet someone that doesn’t use WhatsApp
I'm always shocked when I meet someone that doesn't use WeChat I'm always shocked when I meet someone that doesn't use Signal I'm always shocked when I meet someone that doesn't use Facebook Messenger I'm always shocked when I meet someone that doesn't use LINE I'm always shocked when I meet someone that doesn't use Telegram I'm always shocked when I meet someone that doesn't use QQ etc. It is true that WhatsApp seem…
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I get contacted by Amazon recruiters very often. I either ignore them or say it's not the right time for me.
Two of these bozos contacted me on a personal address that I have never used for anything work-related, but does happen to be the email I have registered as my Amazon shopping account. When I wrote back and told them to stop spamming my personal address that had nothing to do with tech work, they said it wasn't their fault, because they had just bought the email list from someone else who had done the work to cross-r…
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Facebook, Instagram, Meta (which is Oculus hardware and all the metaverse...stuff), Whatsapp, ads, Portal (which includes hardware). It still seems bloated, but they do a wide variety of things, including running their own enormo-scale platform, in addition to doing things on AWS.
Poor Workplace, always forgotten. https://www.workplace.com/
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> And the app doesn't look like it changed that much... You didn't intend it, but that is a complement of the highest order. Thanks! Those who've worked on large systems over many years will understand what I mean.
I can see what you're getting at here but in this case, a lack of changes is NOT desired or virtuous. WA is being left in the dust by messaging platforms that actually care about shipping a quality product.
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Snail mail played a vital role in the administrations of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Is that different or comparable?
It's different because nobody is in charge of snail mail which is merely a technology. Internet platforms have designs, incentives and people in charge for each aspect of their operation. They can chose what to amplify or not. It's been a convenient excuse of internet platforms to characterize themselves as generic technologies that nobody is responsible for or has ownership of, which isn't true. The equivalent to sn…