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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by noirbot »

WHA8m wrote: post #185
imjonse wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sounds like every other billionaire who once they have one foot in the grave rediscover themselves as philanthropists... Or like most US presidents discovering the war on drugs is a scam and the military-industrial-entertainment complex is out of control only after they leave office...

Remember, this was not intended to be public. You read this as a public statement when it's really just a leaked chat conversation. Your version might still be true, but this is not proof for it.

Is it leaked? I was under the impression this was stuff that came out in discovery for the current lawsuit. Either way, at Muck/Dorsey's level, you have to assume that anything you're just sending as a normal text on a device associated with you is something that may end up public at some point for some reason.

Which isn't to say it is a public statement, but that it's closer to an email you send your coworker on your work email. You assume that someone other than you at least can read this, and that if required, it would be made public.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by tomtheelder »

once_inc wrote: post #3

This is pretty cool; the internal messaging of big tech heads. Really interesting to see the way these bigshots converse; terse, to the point, no-nonsense.

This text thread is basically entirely nonsense. They are speaking in pointlessly vague terms about "big ideas" that aren't new, novel, or interesting.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by tomtheelder »

czbond wrote: post #220
rexreed wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having money and resources, influence and respect certainly doesn't hurt either. I've known a lot of great people with great ideas but poor in resources, networks, and connections, and also lacking much respect out of small circles. They were certainly smarter than others, but they were also unable to influence much.

True - but most founders don't have any of those. I know many, many founders. They were all broke as f*ck for years to build it, living off a spouse working ... to magically exit. It ain't money, it's hard work eschewing the other opportunities many so quickly jump at. It's being there building long enough to have "the timing" work out for you. Or it's being so right with timing that you in essence lucked on that par…

I mean my anecdote vs. your anecdote, but every successful founder I have ever met had significant personal resources that allowed them to take almost no personal risk, and in most cases they had immense resources that gave them a significant leg up. I have never, ever seen a successful founder who was broke, unless they were a college student in which case broke is not really as useful a descriptor.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by gambler »

memish wrote: post #322

Some other noteworthy texts. Musk: I interface way better with engineers who are able to do hardcore programming than with program manager / MBA types of people Agrawal: In our next convo- treat me like an engineer instead of CEO and lets see where we get to. - Musk: I basically following your advice! Dorsey: I know and I appreciate you. This is the right and only path. I’ll continue to do whatever it takes to make i…

Crazy conspiracy theories, eh? People running those companies routinely talk to one another. When it seems they act together, it's often because they actually do act together.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by drstewart »

bamboozled wrote: post #302
rocqua wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And then, he returned a rocket from space and had it land vertically. Heck he's doing it consistently, and even synchronized on occasion. Musk is a flawed dude, but the physics behind space-x aren't his weak point.

He did none of that single-handedly though. Thousands, maybe millions of ours of man hours went into making all that happen. What spurred my original comment was that when I hear him talk, I think he does fail to acknowledge the people around him a little to conveniently. I don't care, I just don't think it's a good quality and I think longer term, it will probably lead to him having lower performing teams and people…

>He did none of that single-handedly though

Can you name some engineering accomplishments that have been done "single-handedly" and thus qualify as real engineering?

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by BeetleB »

memish wrote: post #312
brethil wrote: post #58

Is he talking about ActivityPub[1, 2] and the Fediverse[3]? Just look at Mastodon[4, 5] if you're looking for something like twitter without the centralization and the corporate greed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub [2] https://activitypub.rocks [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) [5] https://joinmastodon.org/servers

How long as Mastodon been out and still no one uses it? Obviously a different approach is needed to replace Twitter. Mastodon is a dead end.

Mastodon won't replace Twitter in terms of user base, but it's definitely not going to die. Plenty of niches are active on it.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by drstewart »

aliqot wrote: post #255
tayo42 wrote: post #251

I don't get the point obsessive need for more Twitter, or the need for a protocol. Honestly I think the world needs less connectivity, with more thought going into communication We already have the internet where anyone can go an put something up for people to see

>I think the world needs less connectivity Enthusiastic yes here on that one. Internet was a great thing but its ubiquity outpaced our maturity to use it responsibly.

The irony of posting these kind of takes on a highly popular internet message board.
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