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Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by laumars » Fri, Aug 05, 2022, 4:24 PM UTC

BoorishBears wrote: post #369

laumars wrote: post #367

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I understand your point perfectly fine. What you’re doing is cherry picking examples to suit a personal bias and ignoring the fact that some of your examples of “unready technology” not only sell well but are hugely loved by those who own it. Take the Samsung phone you’re citing. One of my non-technical friends has one and absolutely loves it. Plenty of companies have successful products with hardware that you consid…

Again, being way way way too defensive, and completely missing the point because you're so focused on being as combative as possible. Things like the Galaxy Fold are successful products aimed at non-mainstream scale . No one is calling those features useless, or unappealing, it's the entire package that is intentionally not marketed for the mainstream. - It's ironic because you seem to be getting increasingly upset t…

I’m not getting emotional. I’m simply tell you that you’re wrong.

If you feel there is an emotional component to this discussion then that is something you are injecting yourself.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by eertami » Fri, Aug 05, 2022, 4:26 PM UTC

varispeed wrote: post #215

madoublet wrote: post #173

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I think most people (not devs/designers) view a laptop as something that costs around $750. That is why Windows still has a huge marketshare. Dell, Lenovo, Samsung, Microsoft all have laptops that have solid build quality, OLED screens, touchscreens, etc. at $1,500-2,200 price range but no one buys those. If you are in that price range, you are probably in one of those niche industries (design, development, graphics)…

I disagree. Buying Dell and Samsung laptop in that price range I'd say it is an overpriced rubbish if you compare to current Apple produce. There is really no comparison when it comes to build quality and performance.

I have an XPS and I personally find it better than the M1 MBP in almost everything except power efficiency, so I have much difference experiences compared to your other review in this thread.

The XPS doesn't make much noise and I notice no difference in speed while developing. Some tasks are even faster, because native Docker instead of running via Docker for Mac. The battery doesn't last as long I guess, but it will still last for 8 hours, which is far longer than I need.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by bpye » Fri, Aug 05, 2022, 4:26 PM UTC

byteflip wrote: post #22

I’m unlikely to buy a foldable laptop, but a foldable monitor while traveling sounds kinda nice. I’m working from a hotel right now, so I can easily imagine it. Folding flat would offer protection from scratches in a bag/backpack and take less space. Would be hard pressed to fit a 17” portable monitor in my bag, but if it folds in half that’s more tenable!

Agreed, that’s what makes this kind of interesting personally. I tend to prefer smaller devices for travel, being able to get both that and more screen real estate would be pretty cool.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by blocked_again » Fri, Aug 05, 2022, 4:31 PM UTC

piva00 wrote: post #163

blocked_again wrote: post #152

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> No, this means companies are being pushed to build the least expensive things Least expensive literally translate to more efficeny. To build cheaper things you need to spend less on electricity for manufacturing, less on transport (fuel), less on labor etc. Which means more efficeny. > Eventually sustainability issues will be fixed because if not everyone will eventually die from the lack of resources, doesn't mean…

> Least expensive literally translate to more efficeny. To build cheaper things you need to spend less on electricity for manufacturing, less on transport (fuel), less on labor etc. Which means more efficeny. You are just considering the production aspect of efficiency. Cheaper is not higher quality, cheaper goods have a higher rate of failure, higher rate of failure means increased consumption which pushes productio…

Because sustainability is an unquantifiable word that doesn't mean anything. Please explain sustainability

Also cheaper doesn't mean it have to be low quality.

Computers used to be unaffordable to vast majority of people and companies 50 years back. Now everyone has one in their pocket.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by laumars » Fri, Aug 05, 2022, 4:31 PM UTC

crakhamster01 wrote: post #365

laumars wrote: post #354

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Rise tinted glasses much? Apple have had more than their fair share of bad tech. Such as fanless computers overheating, keyboards that break, monitor hinges that tear the monitor cable, and the first iPhone had fewer features than many of the “dumb” feature phones released years prior. I say this as someone who owns a lot of Apple hardware too. So this isn’t some anti Apple bias Moreover it’s pretty absurd to say tha…

Haha yea maybe my glasses are a little tinted, but I think you're conflating two different points. Apple has released flawed products in the past, but they rarely (never?) include emerging tech that isn't polished enough for mainstream consumption. I say this as a former Android user who loved touting that "Android had that feature first", but it's hard to deny that features like mobile payments have just been execut…

I’ve seen plenty of people round my way sporting those phones.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by entropicdrifter » Fri, Aug 05, 2022, 4:32 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #272

Sholmesy wrote: post #130

Review from Dave2D 4 months ago, addresses the crease & hinge on a pre-production unit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFGhvYLbBRE I think it seems like a cool idea, 17" at 4:3 ratio is alot of screen real estate, at a 12.5" 16:9 footprint. Lot of negativity in this comment section, personally not something I'm that interested in, but I am interested in people experimenting with the form factor.

It’s only 2560 by 1920.

Raw resolution matters a lot less than PPI and contrast/color quality, IMO

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by entropicdrifter » Fri, Aug 05, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

crakhamster01 wrote: post #365

laumars wrote: post #354

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Rise tinted glasses much? Apple have had more than their fair share of bad tech. Such as fanless computers overheating, keyboards that break, monitor hinges that tear the monitor cable, and the first iPhone had fewer features than many of the “dumb” feature phones released years prior. I say this as someone who owns a lot of Apple hardware too. So this isn’t some anti Apple bias Moreover it’s pretty absurd to say tha…

Haha yea maybe my glasses are a little tinted, but I think you're conflating two different points. Apple has released flawed products in the past, but they rarely (never?) include emerging tech that isn't polished enough for mainstream consumption. I say this as a former Android user who loved touting that "Android had that feature first", but it's hard to deny that features like mobile payments have just been execut…

The Galaxy Z Flip 3 has been a massive hit, and the much more expensive Fold 3 has likewise seen unexpectedly high sales: https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-sold-more-foldables...

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by Rebelgecko » Fri, Aug 05, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

CivBase wrote: post #245

byteflip wrote: post #22

I’m unlikely to buy a foldable laptop, but a foldable monitor while traveling sounds kinda nice. I’m working from a hotel right now, so I can easily imagine it. Folding flat would offer protection from scratches in a bag/backpack and take less space. Would be hard pressed to fit a 17” portable monitor in my bag, but if it folds in half that’s more tenable!

Even with smaller portable monitors, I'd feel a lot more comfortable having one in my backpack if the screen wasn't exposed.

FWIW, when I used the Asus portable monitors they came with a folio case that covered the screen when it was in a big and was used to stand the display up at different angles

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by sovnade » Fri, Aug 05, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

eertami wrote: post #368

sovnade wrote: post #345

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The M1 and M2 (and the benefits from them, like ridiculous battery life, low heat (enough so that you can run it totally fanless unless you're outside in the direct sun or something), and more importantly desktop-comparable speed for even heavy tasks like photo/video editing are really, really good. Honestly unless you're required to run windows, it makes a macbook kind of a no brainer right now, especially if you ha…

> Honestly unless you're required to run windows Or Linux, at this stage. Apple silicon support is not good enough yet to be a pleasant experience. Sure, an x86 laptop doesn't compete with power efficiency of the M1/M2 - might be useful if you regularly need to go multiple days without power, but my x86 laptop already gets more than 8 hours battery which is "good enough", and is just as fast for development usage (I…

I made a similar comment down below..there are many good laptops out there and it's insane what we take for granted now. High PPI super-bright screens, 8+ hour battery life, I work in the microsoft stack but I use parallels on a MBP.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by BoorishBears » Fri, Aug 05, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

laumars wrote: post #371

BoorishBears wrote: post #369

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Again, being way way way too defensive, and completely missing the point because you're so focused on being as combative as possible. Things like the Galaxy Fold are successful products aimed at non-mainstream scale . No one is calling those features useless, or unappealing, it's the entire package that is intentionally not marketed for the mainstream. - It's ironic because you seem to be getting increasingly upset t…

I’m not getting emotional. I’m simply tell you that you’re wrong. If you feel there is an emotional component to this discussion then that is something you are injecting yourself.

> Plenty of companies have successful products with hardware that you consider beneath you.

That's a crazy emotional statement and a completely wrong interpretation of what was written!

I'm saying these are features that are so cutting edge they can't even be packaged in mainstream hardware... and you transformed that into me calling them "beneath me" because you're rationally interpreting what I write? Or emotionally responding without comprehending. The latter no?