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Thoughts on the potato diet

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Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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iirc vitamin b12 is essentially non-existent in vegan diets. So it's important to either eat meats/seafood, eat a vegan food fortified in it, or take a supplement (the later two are equivalent, just different delivery mechanism)

iirc, that's not quite right. All dietary B12 originates in/on plant sources, you just have to avoid processing that removes it, and include plant sources with good sources. If you try and eat vegan from a typical north american grocery store though, you may have trouble and need to supplement it. On the other hand, selections are pretty good these days, and if you incorporate some nori or legume sprouts (from memory…

Please check your sources. Such advice can be, and in fact is, dangerous to vegans.

Legumes or sprouts are not an adequate source of B12 and neither are other plant sources.

Your assertion that Nori has B12 is downright wrong. B12 is only synthesized by microorganisms.

There are plenty of vegetarian options, but if you are vegan, you have to rely on fortified products and supplements. This has nothing do to with where you happen to live.

You can check recommendations from physicians, researchers and most importantly Vegan associations all across the globe to the see this is true.

“The Vegetarian Resource Group (VRG) suggests that vegans need to have reliable sources of vitamin B12 in their diets. (1) The Vegetarian Nutrition Dietetic Practice Group (VNDPG) of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics says that all vegetarians (including vegans) should include a reliable B12 source in their diets, such as fortified foods or supplements. (2) And The Vegan Society goes so far as to state, “What every vegan should know about B12: the only reliable sources of B12 are foods fortified with B12 and supplements.” (3)“

I have seen people get sick ignoring these issues in a vegan diet.

“According to vegan expert and co-author of Vegan for Life, Jack Norris, RD, there are no reliable sources of B12 in plants, contrary to many rumors about sources, such as tempeh, seaweeds, and organic produce. Plants have no B12 requirement, therefore they do not have any active mechanisms to make or store it. When you find B12 in plants, it is due to contamination, which is not a reliable source. Many seaweeds have B12 analogues, through their symbiotic relationship with cobalamin-producing bacteria, however the evidence is not clear that this form is active B12 in humans. And fermented foods, such as tempeh, are not fermented through B12-producing bacteria, thus they are not a source of B12. Rumors about bacteria on the surface of organic produce producing B12 have not been verified. “Chlorella may improve B12 status, but it’s by such a small amount that I wouldn’t rely on chlorella for B12,” adds Norris. Norris stresses that, unless a food obtained from multiple regions consistently improves B12 status, it should not be relied upon as a source of B12.“

A vegan diet can be a healthy and sensible choice for people living in a modern society with access to supplements and fortified foods as well as the care and knowledge to use them. Otherwise it is not an appropriate diet for humans, especially not outside of the modern Western organic supermarket and supplement infrastructure.

https://veganhealth.org/vitamin-b12/vitamin-b12-plant-foods/

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Eh, different people respond to food differently. This is not controversial. This whole discussion has a huge amount of bro science, and very little actual science. To the limited extent such a thing even exists in the nutritional space.

Not that differently. If you eat a thousand calories of peanut butter and don't feel anything there's something profoundly wrong.

A thousand calories of peanut butter is one cup, 8oz, of peanut butter.

Maybe 4 or 5 good spoonfuls.

I'm willing to bet that almost any healthy adult could down 4 spoons of peanut butter w/o issue, and that most people would end up being way over their calorie limit for the day as their body wouldn't go "yup that was lunch and half of dinner! All good now!"

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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If this is interesting I highly recommend "The Hungry Brain". Some other thoughts: Obesity is not a disease of over-eating, it is a disease of managing hunger. "Losing weight" is a terrible goal. "Changing Body Composition" is a much better goal. Specifically change the proportion of fat to muscle. ---- If your immediate answer is "Those are the same thing but with different words!!!" then here are some questions to…

> Excess body weight can put stress on your joints, but doesn't generally have any other negative effects.

That seems to contradict the Harvard School of Public Health's article[0] that says:

> The results showed that participants with BMI of 22.5-These findings don't seem to discriminate on the source of the BMI, only on its existence.

[0] https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/overweight-...

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Quickly googling it shows articles of him claiming to lose 75 pounds over 3 months, without exercising. Even starting at 300 lbs, running a daily 2822 calorie deficit for 3 months seems insane.

There has to be some embellishing of the numbers. It's highly improbable that at 322 pounds someone could eat 1000 calories per day (his claim) and be at a 2800 calorie deficit with zero exercise. I'm not saying it's not true, but I'm skeptical of the numbers.

If you lose 75 pounds in 3 months, it's certainly not all fat. He lost water weight, muscle, even skin. This drops the calories required. His "no exercise" also wasn't the same as sedentary. He does shows in Vegas six days a week.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Exactly, that's the genius of Indian cuisine: making otherwise bland ingredients (chickpeas, lentils, potatoes, spinach, etc.) taste amazing. I just polished off a simple rice, spinach and tuna dinner. Very tasty thanks to some sprinkling of misc. spices. I could swap out the rice for potatoes and it would probably even healthier.

> the genius of Indian cuisine: making otherwise bland ingredients (chickpeas, lentils, potatoes, spinach, etc.) taste amazing. How is that different from any other cuisine? Rice, noodles, potatoes, beans, cabbage, fish, meat, chicken all get mixed with spices in almost every cuisine

More than one cuisine can successfully use spices at a time. “Indian food is good” is not the same as “food other than Indian food is bad.”

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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> Potatoes are calorie dense. No. https://gurmeet.net/Images/food/calorie_density/CalorieDensi... Boiled potatoes are 870 kcal per kilogram. 1 kilogram of potatoes is a lot.

The term 'calorie dense' is used in reference to proportion of other nutrients. Water isn't typically included. By your standards, Coca-Cola is actually less calorie dense than boiled potato, but I don't think anyone would recommend a Coca-Cola diet.

That's "nutrient density"[0]. "calorie density" (also "energy density") is calories per unit of weight[1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient_density [1] https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/calorie-density

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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post #35

If this is interesting I highly recommend "The Hungry Brain". Some other thoughts: Obesity is not a disease of over-eating, it is a disease of managing hunger. "Losing weight" is a terrible goal. "Changing Body Composition" is a much better goal. Specifically change the proportion of fat to muscle. ---- If your immediate answer is "Those are the same thing but with different words!!!" then here are some questions to…

> Excess body weight can put stress on your joints, but doesn't generally have any other negative effects. That seems to contradict the Harvard School of Public Health's article[0] that says: > The results showed that participants with BMI of 22.5- These findings don't seem to discriminate on the source of the BMI, only on its existence. [0] https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/overweight-...

If they didn't control for the ratio of lean body mass to fat, then it doesn't actually contradict my point.

If the findings don't discriminate on the source of the BMI, then you just don't know. It's not evidence.

> "They looked at participants’ body mass index (BMI)—an indicator of body fat calculated by dividing a person’s weight in kilograms by their height in meters squared (kg/m2)."

BMI is the WORST indicator of body fat precisely because it does not account for muscle mass. BMI is only suitable for population level studies, it is not suitable for individual health decisions.

Put another way - if I go to the gym religiously, I could gain a few pounds but also lose a few percent of body fat. What will my medical tests show in general? Will my clothes fit better? Will I be able to climb stairs more easily? BMI shows none of that.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Potatoes are more filling per calorie than broccoli? Spinach? Also I wonder the comparison between potatoes and protein champions like hard-boiled eggs or fish. Maybe we could have a nice American eating competition to compare. Or just a detailed study where people eat short-term diets of each and measure their satiety and other vitals.

> Potatoes are more filling per calorie than broccoli? Spinach? Way, way, way more filling. Regular vegetables have basically no fill value at all. Just a fancy form of water & vitamins. Potatoes are quite good at filling.

Filling here meaning over the medium term. You can stuff your stomach with vegetables and briefly feel "full", but you won't feel "satisfied" for very long, and might even feel a bit of nausea as your digestive system works on all these vegetables without much in the way of calories.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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The problem is that no one food, including potatoes, has all the vitamins our bodies need. If you do this diet, make sure you're taking a multivitamins and supplements for the vitamins and minerals not present in potatoes

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Potatoes are more filling per calorie than broccoli? Spinach? Also I wonder the comparison between potatoes and protein champions like hard-boiled eggs or fish. Maybe we could have a nice American eating competition to compare. Or just a detailed study where people eat short-term diets of each and measure their satiety and other vitals.

> Potatoes are more filling per calorie than broccoli? Spinach? Way, way, way more filling. Regular vegetables have basically no fill value at all. Just a fancy form of water & vitamins. Potatoes are quite good at filling.

I'm pretty sure this is quite wrong [1]. While potatoes score as the most satiating "carb" it seem far from the most satiating food, vegetables have tons of fiber score a lot higher in satiety vs. nutrient density.[2]

> Just a fancy form of water & vitamins

No.

1. https://optimisingnutrition.com/calculating-satiety/

2. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p_QyR5ImpQSJ_QODYl-tKxeKfj...

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