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Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Insane in the abstract, but not exactly unfathomable. Who would make money off of that, and who else makes money off of it's absense?

Imagine for a split second an idea of value that doesn't start and end with private profit

I'm a writer. I can imagine it. But the landlord, grocer, car dealer and pretty much everyone else dealing in physical things wants me to pay for what I consume. I'm not independently wealthy. The only reason I can afford to write books is because the publisher pays me. The only reason the publisher can pay me is because people buy the books.

I can guarantee you that this type of behavior means I'm writing fewer books. It's very short-sighted.

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Again, it's just insane to me that we don't even much have a meaningful discussion of: "Hey, wait, literally everyone could have the entire library of Alexandria in their house for a couple hundred bucks per person. Like, all the knowledge ever. Maybe that should be considered the good default of things. At least one in every town that everyone could use, for free, forever, without restriction to ANY of the knowledge…

This is why I'm vehemently against further increasing copyright law, software patents, and treating Imaginary Property as something that can be owned.

We finally build the tools to allow the free sharing of information and almost immediately a bunch of rent seeking lawyers lobby congress to make doing that illegal.

I've always lived by the rule of "If you put it on the Internet, it's not yours anymore." Because that's de facto the truth. Only if you employ lawyers do you have even the slightest real power over something online, even if you're the original source. This isn't something 95% people can afford. Turning the Internet into just another place where the rich get preferential treatment is a terrible thing.

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Excellent. I hope more and more people start to see how absurd and evil the concept of "intellectual property" is. It should be totally rejected and any form of keeping useful information for yourself should be shunned and tabooized. In todays world, many have been programmed to believe that the would could not exits without such immoral restrictions, which is horrible.

I've just spent 2 years writing something which ain't got anything else like it. It was technically pretty difficult and needed a lot of background knowledge. Should I be disallowed to commercialise it? I partly get where you stand but if I was in a society that you seem to endorse my first question would be, other than for the love of doing it, why sink so much effort into a thing only to get nothing back. It almost…

Exactly. I'm in complete agreement. If someone else wants to give away their work for free, that's fine with me. But if I want to charge, I should be able to charge for my labor just like the farmer or the baker. Certainly they'll charge me for bread.

Writing is hard work. Writing books and getting them technically correct is expensive. This is very short-sighted.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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post #210

Excellent. I hope more and more people start to see how absurd and evil the concept of "intellectual property" is. It should be totally rejected and any form of keeping useful information for yourself should be shunned and tabooized. In todays world, many have been programmed to believe that the would could not exits without such immoral restrictions, which is horrible.

I call it Imaginary Property and refuse to call it anything else.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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post #231

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I've just spent 2 years writing something which ain't got anything else like it. It was technically pretty difficult and needed a lot of background knowledge. Should I be disallowed to commercialise it? I partly get where you stand but if I was in a society that you seem to endorse my first question would be, other than for the love of doing it, why sink so much effort into a thing only to get nothing back. It almost…

As a musician and filmmaker I see it like this: once my work is published I stop to be in total control of it. That means I cannot control (or sometimes even know ) what paths my works will take, how it is being understood, who will do what with it etc. Of course I like to be credited for my work — but some fan adding my work to a pirate page would not be a concern but rather a bit flattering. What would anger me wou…

You're being short-sighted if you think you're going to be able to sell material in the future if the recording company or studio goes out of business. The only reason they have money to support you is because the public supports them.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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It's extremely easy to say what you say without having written a book. Harry Potter into public domain I'm prob OK with but some people put years of their life into technical books. My father did. EDIT: ach, didn't read your post propely - first line says " I'm also write technical writing (including academic publications)" so you have a strong position to hold your view - sorry (deleted)

Some people put years of their life into fixing plumbing, should they and their heirs also profit from that plumbing? I'm all for finding ways to reward people for creating things but that should not include restricting what others can create.

Fixing the plumbing usually takes much less time than writing a book, so recompensing the plumber for the time spent doing the plumbing in a one-and-done lump sum is much more tenable than doing the same for an author, who might have taken weeks, months or even years writing a book.

Plus fixing the plumbing usually only needs to be done infrequently, whereas a book is read in a comparatively short time, so from that point of view a consumer would also be willing (and able) to spend more per plumbing fix than per book.

So consequently you need some sort of arrangements that allow for splitting the necessary payment to the author up across multiple people and/or over time.

Additionally, artists often speculatively create works without knowing for sure whether the public will take any interest in their work, or not. Copyright certainly has its faults, but it does cater for precisely that scenario by ensuring that you can insist on getting paid afterwards if people enjoy and want access to your work, and you don't need to acquire all the necessary funding up front. If you can't come up with enough money, you can even "just" invest your spare time instead and still get paid back if the work turns out be successful.

Plumbers on the other hand I assume rarely have the desire to speculatively fix up other people's plumbing and then hope to get paid afterwards if they did a good job.

Rewarding artists after they've already produced the artistic work if they're successful also makes sense in that the quality of artistic output can vary, and so there's a bigger risk of disappointment if you need to pay far in advance, before the work has possibly even been produced.

And because the quality of an artistic work is also very much a subjective matter, it'd also be much more difficult getting your money back in that case, whereas plumbing can mostly be judged according to much more objective standards, so getting your money back – through the legal system if required - is again a more tenable affair.

Of course the existence of Kickstarter and the like or even just plain old pre-orders show that to some extent people are willing to take that risk of paying in advance, but whether that would be enough if it was the only reasonable source of funding for artistic works? It'd also mean that if you can't convince people to pay you in advance (and good luck with that if you're some unknown newcomer), then good luck getting any more money afterwards, even if the book/… then turns out to be wildly popular afterwards.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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post #159

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Donating space is only half of the equation. I think donating bandwidth is a more significant aspect, especially with ISP's like Comcast which provide very little upload bandwidth compared to download. You'd expect that uploads wouldn't impact download speeds, but it's not the case. A saturated upload bandwidth means, ACK packets getting delayed, which means connections would be established way more slower. So, it's…

You can always implement QoS or something like FQ_Codel.

I'm a senior software developer with experience in developing communications protocols and networking software. I haven't been able to set up QoS properly ever, especially in a way that addresses all my needs. Expecting end users to do it is way beyond the realm of possibility IMHO.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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post #124

Again, it's just insane to me that we don't even much have a meaningful discussion of: "Hey, wait, literally everyone could have the entire library of Alexandria in their house for a couple hundred bucks per person. Like, all the knowledge ever. Maybe that should be considered the good default of things. At least one in every town that everyone could use, for free, forever, without restriction to ANY of the knowledge…

> Like, all the knowledge ever.

Go to your local library. There is actually a lot more there than books. There are videos and audio records too. There are news paper clippings too.

Worse, data is being generated very fast. Let's look[0]

> [In 2012], CenturyLink projects that 1.8 zettabytes of data will be created. By 2015, the projection is 7.9 zettabytes.

> MAST is currently home to an estimated *200 terabytes of data*, which… is nearly the same amount of information contained in *the U.S. Library of Congress.*

But that said, a few petabytes is going to only cost in the 10s of thousands of dollars and max in the low 100s. So this is well within the budget of even every modestly sized city and definitely every university. It would be even easier if this was done with torrenting.

I think the real question is^: why are we not, as a species, creating this system? It seems very reasonable that we could back up all data. (There is also a dark side to this too! So let's not forget about that) At least, why aren't we creating a full access world library for all scholarly data, which is probably something that could be housed for a few grand. Should we do this on our own given the relatively low cost? Books + sci-hub + arxiv + *xiv?

[0] https://blogs.loc.gov/thesignal/2012/04/a-library-of-congres...

^ maybe it is already being done and I don't know, please inform me if it is. (Other than the NSA)

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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post #210

Excellent. I hope more and more people start to see how absurd and evil the concept of "intellectual property" is. It should be totally rejected and any form of keeping useful information for yourself should be shunned and tabooized. In todays world, many have been programmed to believe that the would could not exits without such immoral restrictions, which is horrible.

Its funny that often the only people who think this are programmers. everyone else who hopes to make a living doesn't. ATM, not even the NYT Best Sellers make a livable wage and now with Dall-E, artists wont either. COVID basically killed a lot of musicians income. DJs and so on. Its probably also why media itself has achieved such a mediocre state, no authors, no novels, no adaptation. we are in a future which much of the current media is a sea of mediocrity. There's lots of content sure, but barely any that's worth a damn.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine for a split second an idea of value that doesn't start and end with private profit

I'm a writer. I can imagine it. But the landlord, grocer, car dealer and pretty much everyone else dealing in physical things wants me to pay for what I consume. I'm not independently wealthy. The only reason I can afford to write books is because the publisher pays me. The only reason the publisher can pay me is because people buy the books. I can guarantee you that this type of behavior means I'm writing fewer book…

Writers getting paid by the amount of books they sell is a pretty efficient way to allocate their work, but it's not the only way. If book sales vanished over night I'm sure interest in alternative means of financing would surge, and a new "standard" would establish itself.

Historically most art was financed through patronage/sponsors, wealthy people or institutions that sponsored people for the social status, or commissioned works from them. Both of those systems have been democratized by the internet, with people sponsoring artists they like with systems like Patreon, or just straight paying them money to create something. The same is happening with Twitch subscriptions (essentially donations to the streamer). There's no reason it can't work on a larger scale for most literature. Sure, priorities would shift, but it might also enable authors more creative freedom than publishers are comfortable with.

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